Supposedly O'Brien had to be restrained from Brock...

That's wrong. A coach's job is to get the best out of his players and to put them in the best position to succeed. That's roughly a negative 1 correlation with what he did by engaging in this behavior with the most important positional player on the field. Not everyone responds to the same motivation. He had 6 months to figure that out with Brock. Your bias is heavily skewed toward BoB that you couldn't even answer direct questions earlier in the thread such as, "..what other coaches have been in nationally publicized confrontations with this players..". I get it, You feel a certain way. That's fine. Masquerading about and attempting to put things forth as though they are objective and factually based vs wholly subjective is where I have a problem. Not cool.

That's wrong. The reporting and sources - which at this point are all we have - indicate he just threw it back in BoB's face that he's coming to Brock b/c he needs Brock - not because he wants Brock or views him as starter/qb/championship material. If I was benched, and then the coach came right back to me only because I knew, he knew, and the world knew, he needed me I'd take his ass-kissing suggestions with a grain of salt just like Brock.

You just crushed any hope of clinging to objectivity with the quote above. Again, that's cool We are all entitled to our opinions. Just admit it.

You've said this with every iteration of information. Did I miss where this was a 12 round sanctioned WBC title fight or a 5 rd UFC headliner? You're straw-manning the whole "made out to be..." aspect because that's been your go-to, independent of the actual information flow.

See, that's funny because I can't imagine a coach egotistical or maniacal enough that he can't stand the fact that a guy threw his kiss-ass right back in his face. I can't imagine a coach would think turning the thing into a physical confrontation gives his team the best shot to go out and win the game. I can't imagine a coach so detached from reality that he can't take his own medicine.

I guess there's a whole lot that's difficult to imagine about this eh?

 

So who do you pick, Marshall and Decker or Nuk and Dre? Most people pick Nuk and Dre. He also had Arian Foster for most of that season in Houston.....so yeah, the Jets were significantly worse offensively and it shouldn't really be much of a debate.

So yeah, I'm saying that basically every QB did worse under BOB than elsewhere.....again, shouldn't be much of a debate there either.

I didn't "flip" the conversation, that was the whole point, BOB is an offensive coach and the offense has gotten worse every season under him while the defense has carried. The point of the conversation is to determine what exactly BOB does well and it sure isn't call plays or get the most out of his players.

 

bbc?

 

LOL typos are fun.

 

You realize this team you consider significantly better than another team went 2-14 the previous season, had the #1 pick in the draft, and a rookie NFL head coach? Not sure how a team with those traits can ever be considered better, much less significantly better, than another team.

Hell yes I'd of pick that version Decker and Marshall over a 2nd year Nuk and washed up Dre. So would most people.

 

Oh wow, you are really going out of your way to defend BOB here, that's....well that's a thing I guess. Anyway, the 2 win season was due to the team giving up on Kubiak, not due to a talent deficiency as evidenced by being between a 12 win season and a 9 win season. The Jets on the other hand were a one year outlier partly due to Fitz's good play in between 4 and 5 win seasons....it's pretty obvious the Texans had the better talent and the offense continues to get worse and worse ever since they brought in an offense minded head coach....which clearly shows how awesome he is at his job.....somehow.

 

He was also leaking rumors about leaving right in the middle of our playoff run.

 

Not really defending BOB. The offense was terrible this year. It's his offense so he is to blame. Osweiler and o-line were garbage.

I was commenting in the beginning more on your analysis that every qb is so much better away from BOB. Besides five meaningless Hoyer starts there's nothing to back that up, hence change of subjects twice by you.

You're the one telling me a two win team is better purely on your own speculation and analysis. If a team wins two games, then that means they're not a good team. They had some big names in talent, but top to bottom there were plenty of holes in that roster.

 

....so besides Fitz throwing for a career high in TDs the season after he left and interception machine Hoyer not throwing a pick in 5 starts the season after he left, and Osweiler playing considerably better the season before he was here, and Mallett only having off the field issues here and not with the Pats or Ravens....nothing to suggest that QB's do better away from BOB as a head coach. Just ignore all of that, and you can cling to the delusion that BOB is doing something positive for the offense and team as a whole.

Also, I never changed the subject....so yeah, don't know where you are going there.

When it comes to the Texans' 2 win season, the exact same team won 12 the season before and nearly the same team won 9 the very next season.....so yeah, I'm chalking that up as the team giving up on the head coach instead of thinking that the entire team just lost their talent for a season.

 

I don't see any way that BOB wanted to bring in Brock. Doesn't seem like his type of guy whatsoever. Pure speculation on that, but not surprised with the season full of drama from the tweets right after we signed him to reports BOB might leave after the playoffs. Considering he'll get at least a say in this year's decision it's time for the offense to show better this season.

 

19 touchdowns and 7 interceptions for Hoyer under Obrien is an interception machine?

 

Most of that was either garbage time or against the few weakest defenses in the NFL. 10 of those 19 touchdowns were in garbage time against Atlanta who was playing backups by the time he got in and in games against New Orleans, Tennessee, and Jacksonville who were 3 of the worst defenses in the NFL. Against good teams, he was an interception machine.....or did you forget that he was the Chiefs MVP?

 

One thing is for sure though, BOB has REALLY good PR people.

 

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