i understand you don't want them to fail. What about the corallary-Do you then hope for them to succeed?
Read the frigging post, basso. I hope for the damn mission to end. Your guy put them in harm's way. I think it's about time you gave up on trying to trick me and others into saying I wish them harm.
Terrific post which brings up a particular beef I have with the accusation. Why do some war supporters feel the need to try and demonize people who differ on their support for the war in Iraq. They seem dead set on trying to say we are bad and are against our nation's own troops. They want to portray the majority of the nation(according to latest polls) as bad people who are against the people serving in the military. Just look at BAsso's posts, and you see a clear effort to demonize one side, rather than unite the country. Wouldn't be simpler, more accurate, and more unifiying of our nation in a time of war to say that we disagree about justification for the war, but I am glad that we all appreciate servicemen who honorably serve the country? My nephew is going to Iraq and is in the Marines. My brother is worried, I am worried, and anyone who thinks I don't want him to succeed is a fool. As far as Bush succeeding, he can't. There is absolutely no way, since there are no WMD's, he's already failed. He might be able to succeed on some of the terciary or secondary goals, but not if we just stay the course. Unless things change there every desired outcome in Iraq will fail and more U.S. servicemen will die as a result.
Your question is like asking why does 2+2 = 5. There can be no success. There were no WMD's success was getting rid of that threat. It was a failure before it even started. Or if you wish to see the glass as half-full, it was a success before it even started. If you want to talk about if someone wants stable and democratic Iraq then do you honestly think that anyone on this board wouldn't like to see that?
Pretty much everything you post here is disingenuous. Here's one for you. Bush decides to send American troops into Massachusetts in retaliation for gay marriage. The Massachusetts guard (and even some civilians) take up arms to defend themselves. American troops and Massachusetts guardsmen are killing and being killed. Innocents are dying. Massachusetts refuses to surrender. Do you wish for our troops to fail or succeed?
you said you do not wish the troops to fail. surely it is fair then to ask whether you wish them to succeed in their mission, which is to ensure a free, stable iraq that is not a threat to the US.
I have answered it. Your question presumes there are only two options. It's a charasterically disingenuous presumption. But since you want to see it that way, answer mine.
you have not answered it. instead you threw out a preposterous example of "bush invading" massachusettes, equating massachussettes national guard with the zarqawhi's terrorist cadres. i will ask it again. do you wish the troops be successful in their mission?
Oooh! Oooh! I think I know! You're saying that you don't care who wins or loses. You just want everyone to stop fighting. Here's another question for ya... What type of war against al-qaida would you approve of?
I'll answer that. Yes! with as few casualties as possible (on both sides). But i'm still pissed they were sent over.
Well, a war against Al Qaeda for one. Fighting the war on terror in Iraq is akin to losing your keys in a dark movie theater and looking for them on the sidewalk because the light is better there. I answered the question in my original post in this thread. Here's one for you, Fatty. Would you prefer that President Bush throw an innocent baby out of a plane or a helicopter? The only available answers are plane or helicopter, remember. You're not allowed to answer, "I'd rather he didn't throw the baby at all."
I wasn't equating anything. And that wasn't where I answered. I answered in my first post and in my first response to you. The answer is neither. The answer is I want the mission stopped. But since you want to see things in black and white, answer mine. America vs. Massachusetts (insert Mexico or France or Canada or Poland if you want). Succeed or fail?
the answer is you don't care whether they succeed, you just want them to come home, ergo, you do not want them to succeed. you're ambivalent as to whether they capture zarqawi, leave iraq an unstable, terror infested cesspool, and millions of innocents to whom we have a moral resonsibility at the mercy of armed gangs of "insurgents." fine, i'm glad we clarified that.
Not a good analogy, considering the end-result would be the same. Are you saying you feel that way about what happens with Iraq?
That's right. You can either support a war you find to be wholly unjust, thereby supporting the unnecessary deaths of thousands or you can favor a terror infested cesspool, et cetera. I envy your clarity. Since you see things so clear, it shouldn't be any trouble at all for you to answer mine. Should America succeed or fail in its invasion of, oh let's say France? While you're at it, baby from the plane or old lady from the helicopter? Thanks in advance.
