On a great team hes a 3rd or fourth option? - The Celtics 3/4th option is Ray Allen/KG. I won't compare Martin to KG since they are different players but he is probably better than Ray Allen. - The Lakers 3/4th option is Odom/Artest. Odom is a big man so again I won't compare him, but he is FAR better than Ron Artest. - The Thunder's 3/4th option is Jeff Green/JamesHarden? Martin is far better than James Harden and better than Jeff Green. You guys are vastly underrating him, and if paired with a superstar he is an excellent 2nd option. The dude averages 24 ppg and you call him the 4th best option on a championship team? Find me one team that has 3 other 24+ ppg scorers. I'll wait.
The Celtics? Allen/KG are 2nd/3rd, Pierce is first...Rondo sure isn't 2nd (this is the guy who said he'd be a better shooter if he was expected to shoot more...lol), the lakers, well yeah, but kobe and pau are 1st/2nd team all nba players
he often makes his fts when it counts most of the time, and he does everything else great in clutch situations. i've never heard of anyone accusing him of not being clutch.
Please don't bump this thread every time Martin scores 3 points in the 4th. Go bump the Hill thread, he was the main reason we won tonight.
If Martin scores 24 points-per-3-quarters, then your "closer" who can evenly distribute his scoring would be scoring 32ppg on nearly 60 TS%. Indeed. I want that guy. You have just proven that the great superstars in NBA HISTORY are better than Kevin Martin. You're right. Jordan was better than Martin. So was Bird, or Hakeem. If that's the bar you want to set, you may have to wait a bit for that player. So far, we've only had ONE player in the entire Rockets history that matches that description.
not that kevin are better than Melo, but he gives us the scoring Night in and Night out, that's what you look for, without him, we would've not been in this position now(actually a lot worse....)
Melo had veterans like Billups, Camby and Kenyon Martin on that team and a proven coach. That was Martin's sophomore year on a veteran team with Artest and Mike Bibby who had a career year that year and Adelman. Martin only played in 41 games that season. It was the next season he doubled his scoring average but played on a rebuilding team. Martin was the only bright spot on the Kings for the last several years. Most of his teammates wouldn't have even started on another team and they had rookie coaches.
I honestly think some of you never actually watch games. Martin plays good defense. He kept Tyreke Evans out of the paint yesterday, not an easy job. He's a good defender but like any defender, sometimes he gets beat. Would you say Battier is a good defender? Does he never get beat? How about Ron Artest? I've heard him called a great defender. Ron Artest gets beat and gets scored on. You set a higher standard for Martin than you do Artest. Martin can never get beat? Come on. As for "he can't create his own shot", honestly, do you people never watch games? Most of his shots are ones he creates for himself, driving around his defender into the paint. Yes, sometimes he gets a screen set, sometimes he gets an open jump shot, but to say he can't create his own shot is just ignorant. Superstar... there usually are only 2-3 superstars in the entire NBA at one time. LeBron, Kobe... The other really good players are all-stars. Martin could have been an allstar had he played on just about any other team but the Kings or played in the Eastern Conference. But how many guards beyond Kobe are going to get votes in the West? How do I know Martin is an all-star calibre player? His numbers. And the fact that opposing coach's game plan is to try to stop or slow him down. Oh, but if some of you never actually watch games, I'm sure you don't bother to follow games close enough to find out what the opposing coaches are planning. Clutch? What was that and-1 play last night, up by only 2 with under 2 minutes to go? That wasn't clutch?? Again, some of you hold Martin to a higher standard than people hold Kobe. Now, let's have a little lesson about Adelman's offense and "go-to" players. They don't go together. All of Adelman's years at the Kings, he had no "go-to" player. Why? Because his offense is about opportunity and options. I remember East Coast sports writers and ignorant fans complaining that Chris Webber wasn't clutch! He wasn't a "go-to" player. There was one big play in the WCF playoffs against the lakers where Webber set a screen for Bibby and Bibby got the winning "clutch" field goal. Whine, whine, whine about Webber not taking the shot himself. Mindboggling stupidity on the part of the press and fans. So haven't you people seen enough of Adelman's offense yet to understand how it works? There is no "go-to" player!! Every game it will be someone different who gets shots depending on the match-ups.
