So many Yao haters disguised themselves as fair and sensible posters, make you go hmm...............?
Cab, Sigh, I am not blaming anyone on anything. I've said it more than 100 times, that Yao is nowhere near at Dream's level, and I don't see any center at Dream's level now. Focusing or #1 is not just a claim, there needs to be some facts to back that up. I showed you data, and you give me this wishy-washy - yeah let's blame everyone else for his failure. But you seem to blame Yao for everything. You proposed to trade Yao but you don't know who to trade for, so just get rid of him. You proposed to build around or develop young talents to mimic that Pistons model, but you don't know who to build around or develop, but just get rid of Yao. It takes 5. This year is the first year we have some serious talented role players on this team to compete, and lots of fans, including me had high hopes for the team before the season started. Too bad that TMac went down, but still, some of us hope they can do well. Yao is no Dream, nobody is Dream except for Dream. Repeating that million times won't win us Championships. Getting rid of Yao for the sake of getting rid of him, won't win us anything, not to mention championship. This is my last post in this thread. Have a nice weekend.
here some differences yao rarely gets open of the pick and roll moves...probably because we've never had respectable PG that commanded taht attention since steve left. Yao's bball IQ is greatly below Hakeem...that is a center that is decisive and doesn't just roll to the rim all the time. Biggest frustration i see with yao is he always rolls toward the rim crowding it instead of creating space and possible catching a pass 10 ft away for an open jumper
I have a feeling, if you had the chance... you would have given Tmac... 11 years, to lead this Rockets team...
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Agreed. The team has been, in the past, built around this failure of an experiment of Yao-Mcgrady tandem. More recently, it seems to have transition to a team built around Yao. With Mcgrady out, Yao is truly the sole focus point of the offense with weapons around him to utilize. Even with Ron in the line up, he knows that this team will only go as far as Yao can take them. With the trade, as long as the two pgs are able to run the system well, the team will do fine.
You say there are two ways to build a championship team? Well the detroit model you speak of was not made of all-stars. Who was a all-star before they came to detroit? Sheed was a problem child. Chauncey was a bust. Hamilton was a Jordan project gone wrong. Ben Wallace was coached wrong before he arrived to detroit. All i'm going to say is...the Judgement is still out on Yao guys. He's just entering his prime IMO and if he's going to show leadership, it will be this season.
So it was the superstar that made the last 3pt? Even Olajuwon and Drexler need support from elite role players.
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1. Watching clips of Hakeem still gives me goosebumps. 2. The NBA on NBC theme is sweet as hell. 3. Our stadium WAS LOUD...Damn its been awhile since I heard our fans get that loud.
Watching these old clips make me wonder if centers will ever dominate the game. The officiating today just no longer favor big men anymore. Lebron and CP3 will get whistles if you so much as breathe on them, while Yao can get murdered and not get calls. This plus zone D really pretty much destroys the post game. Let's face it. The term "superstar center" no longer exists in the NBA vocabulary. Hence why the team keep sucking T-Mac's nuts since it's difficult to win w/o a superstar guard.
Again, I'm not sure how this repeated argument is supposed to somehow preclude the necessity of a superstar's dominance. noone is claiming one guy is supposed to be able to do it all. but he has to dominate to the degree that those other guys doing their part is enough for the team to win. if yao is being shut down with single coverage from mehmet freaking okur, destroyed on the other end by carlos boozer, and literally having to be taken out of the game because he's a liability against the dallas mavericks, it doesn't matter what the hell else anyone else does.
Ever since tmac went awol, there is a lot of hatred towards Yao, as if he is the one that gave up on the rox, not tmac. I agree with a lot of the posters in that Hakeem is unmatched as a center, but to say Yao is a scrub or the root of all evil is ridiculous and obviously comes from the mouth of non-rox fans. It doesn't really matter though in the end, cause haters hate.
Great Video. At least Yao Ming is the only Rockets Player closest to Dream's level. Dude work hard and love Houston. We should give him some love.
You're completely misconstruing my argument. When did I ever even imply I wanted to simply 'get rid of' Yao? You're ignoring the crucial point in my argument - that he'll be 29 next year. If you agree that he isn't anywhere near Dream's level, as you said above, then you agree that he has to be surrounded with an ultra-talented team. We don't know how many years Yao has left in his prime, given his injury history. My entire point is that it's not worthwhile to try to find the right mix around an older superstar, because it doesn't just happen overnight. By the time you finally find the right mix, it's likely that he is seriously fading. That is my whole point. Somewhere along the way, you and others have built up this weak strawman that I hate Yao and just want him gone, completely ignoring the basis of my stance. I fail to see how my reluctance to name players we should be targeting in a Yao trade is dispositive of anything. Relevance? The point is we would probably be better off building a young team completely from scratch.
