1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

superstar centers carry their teams:

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thacabbage, Feb 20, 2009.

Tags:
  1. Texxx

    Texxx Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2009
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    1
    THis is just wishful thinking and excuses for a guy that is clearly not a great player. He is a good player and that is that. He has pretty wide skill set but doesn't have the abilities to dominate with it. He is still shy and timid and this many years into the league he isn't going to change that.

    Dude wake up, he has been coached in 3 different systems now and hasn't dominated in one of them. Maybe had he not been soo dedicated to his country all of these years and been able to work out in the US for the summer and get his body rested more he would have been able to develop into a better player, but he still never has and never is going to be that guy.

    He has tons of the same problems still today that he had as a rookie and in his second and third year and yet guys like you still swear he is going to become a beast. Get over it, he is good and won't ever be great. He is not a good defensive center at all either. He moves slow because of his size and doesn't have good recovery skills at all. And the refs are NEVER going to give him the respect that he has always deserved which makes it worse. If they haven't changed the way the referee Yao by now they never will.
     
  2. Landlord Landry

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2008
    Messages:
    6,857
    Likes Received:
    296
    no you didn't, you made it worse. So not only are you unaware of your own Rockets history that you preach so much, you can't even count?

    93 comes BEFORE 94, not after it.

    and the reason I started @ 94-95 is because that was the year in the video.

    now stop following me around rat. ;) :p
     
  3. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    3,974
    Likes Received:
    3
    Yao had some small amount of time with Rudy T. where Steve Francis was the show and then a good chunk of time with JvG whose offensive schemes were stone age, at best. He's had a season and a half with Adelman, a season and a half marred by drama and injury.

    That said, with Adelman the Rockets are showing a lot more sneakiness in getting the ball in to Yao. Under Adelman the Rockets have shown a lot more ingenuity in beating fronting defenses on Yao and double teams. And the personnel around Yao is probably the best he's ever had.

    Like I said, the experiment's about to be run. I'm not going to make a prediction. What's the point? One way or the other the result is going to be known in just a few weeks now.
     
  4. morpheus133

    morpheus133 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    Messages:
    2,535
    Likes Received:
    183
    Yao is not a super star except popularity wise. He is a bonafide all star and met or exceeded expectations from draft night to now. But the title of super star is too loosely thrown around, and super stars win in the playoffs even with subpar supporting casts. Dream was a super star, Yao is an all star.
     
  5. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    6,993
    Likes Received:
    145
    What superstar in NBA history has been held back because they weren't correctly utilized?

    Yao has been the focus of the Rockets offense since his 2nd year in the league.
     
  6. cheshire

    cheshire Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2001
    Messages:
    1,051
    Likes Received:
    396
    Dream is the Dream.

    Yao is Yao.

    Watching that clip shows how spoilt we were having the Dream around.

    Yao is no Dream but I believe and hope he can carry us to a title. He'll do it his way.
     
  7. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    3,974
    Likes Received:
    3
    As I recall Dirk Nowitzki took a few years to get rolling as well.

    And Yao has not been the focus of the offense. At the very least he's shared that designation with Francis/T-Mac. The place he's in now is unique in that he's going to be the undisputed go to guy on the team.
     
  8. francis 4 prez

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2001
    Messages:
    22,025
    Likes Received:
    4,552

    that would've been a solid career highlight film for most players.
     
  9. real_egal

    real_egal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    4,430
    Likes Received:
    247
    Yeah right, Mo Taylor, Moochie, Bogans, Padgett, Weatherspoon, Cato, Mark Jackson, Piatkowski, Ray Bowen, Howard, are all world players, who can either rebound and defend, or slash and cut hard, or drain 3 pointers like rain, on par with Kenny, Sam, Horry, Otis, Max etc. TMac, Rafer, SF3, Mobley, which one of them is a great 3 pointer shooter, or 2 pointer shooter?

    The offense has been so focused on Yao, that Yao only made the No. 2 of the field goal attempts twice in the past 7 years, including the 57 games in 2005-2006.

    Again, never let facts affect your own opinion.
     
  10. dragonz

    dragonz Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,718
    Likes Received:
    56
    Hey, David Robinson didn't carry his team in that game, so is he a "SUPERSTAR"?
     
  11. hitman1900

    hitman1900 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2003
    Messages:
    1,451
    Likes Received:
    691
    Yeah but Nowitzki wasn't close to 30 when he started to become the player that he is today. I don't know what system you can use to make Yao into something more. The "slow it down even more" system?

    I don't understand how some of you think that with Yao as the main option, he's somehow going to blossom into this monster of a center. What in the past has led you to believe that? He's gonna get his usually numbers and that's probably it. You have to realize how long Yao has been in this league already and face reality. We can't say he sucks because that's absolutely false but we can't say that he's great either.
     
  12. Texxx

    Texxx Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2009
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yao is only an all star now because the CENTER position in the NBA turned to garbage many years ago.

    Yao would have barely made may one or two all star games in Hakeem's era. That is when there were quite a few good centers around like Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Young Shaq, Mourning, Mutombo, and a few others that were pretty good. Yao wouldn't have hardly been mentioned as one of the best centers in the league in the 90's.

    The fact is the game changed a lot and it is much more of a big man's game at the POWER FORWARD position now days, because there are so many PF's that could have easily been centers many years ago but since there have been so many more athletic guys around 7 feet tall now days they are able to play PF instead of playing center like they would have a long time ago. The Center position in the NBA has turned into a garbage position for most teams.

    All so many people in Houston have tried to use for Yao for years is say "Well he is the best center in the league"!! And? THat isn't saying much when there are only like 4 or 5 good ones and the rest of them are just average at best. Now days you have to compare good centers to good power forwards because Power Forwards bang inside and get just as many rebounds as centers do by far.
     
  13. Cowboy_Bebop

    Cowboy_Bebop Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2008
    Messages:
    4,503
    Likes Received:
    123
    Wow, you are stupid. Hakeem would have never won if it wasn't for his support players.

    More like thacrappage thread.
     
  14. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    6,993
    Likes Received:
    145
    I fail to see how a player's teammates sucking is probative of said player 'not being used correctly.'

    Yea, let's blame it on everyone else that Yao is easily fronted and beat out of position.

    If you don't think Yao has been the #1 option on offense in Houston since his second year (JVG's first year), I don't know what you've been watching.
     
  15. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    3,974
    Likes Received:
    3
    Yao's fg% is pretty much consistent regardless of the number of shots he takes. That means that for him more shots equals more points. The other consideration is that he's a rhythm guy and he needs touches to get going. As the focal point of the offense that shouldn't be a problem.

    I don't know if he's going to turn into Hakeem but I think it's a safe bet that his numbers go up.
     
  16. hitman1900

    hitman1900 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2003
    Messages:
    1,451
    Likes Received:
    691
    I don't think it's a safe bet at all. We'll see tonight though.
     
  17. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    6,993
    Likes Received:
    145
    Yes, because a claim that Hakeem carried the team is inconsistent with a claim that his support players were imperative. Brilliant. :rolleyes:

    Yea, that was clever.
     
  18. T_Man

    T_Man Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2000
    Messages:
    6,863
    Likes Received:
    2,888
    Thanks for the assist... I was wondering who Rick Smith was myself...
     
  19. comehere2

    comehere2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    2,860
    Likes Received:
    56
    yao can't jump. :(
     
  20. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2007
    Messages:
    3,974
    Likes Received:
    3
    We'll see tonight and over the course of the next several weeks. Like I said, with McGrady out the experiment is going to be run.
     

Share This Page