what you miss is I know I can never communicate effective with everyone no matter what I say. If you think I feel like I've wasted breath, then you don't know me as you could. And Clutch is the one who diluted the thread with his "gross" line. Again, I cannot possibly provide "effective communication" to everyone in a huge crowd of people I don't know at a bbs, no matter of withholding words will improve my communication, in my experience. My only goal is expressing personality and trolling personality out of people. and "ecphonesis" means animated or passionate exclamations. How ironic 'eh, that you can't find that for the "life of you", you dry bed of driveling isms. hey, here's a smilie for yeah
jamcracker, I think you are going in the wrong direction. Seems like a synthesized word for the results of the interacton of different languages and word meanings to the participants in a conversation. Ecology + phonetics Mango ------------------ Spring Cleaning!!! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited February 06, 2001).]
jammie, what dictionaries are you using. Remember I did Ling and cultural anth at Rice. I recall that from Functional Linguistics. First time I could use it in a sentence. lol! What a freaking b**** of a class that was? Talk about breaking a language down into iddy biddy pieces.
Its useless in trying to convey your point.....taken me two days to figure that out. ------------------ Rockets Season Ticket Holder
"If you think I feel like I've wasted breath, then you don't know me as you could." Look, this was supposed to be a thread about "What a great game!". Sounds like you have had no effect on cato13 "Its useless in trying to convey your point.....taken me two days to figure that out." Maybe some lurkers have been enlightened by your race relations discussion, but to me it just ruined what could've been a fun game action thread. So all that race relations debate was wasted breath. Now, here I am in hangout, REALLY wasting my breath. WHAT A GREAT GAME! GO ROCKETS!
heypartner, I think what Cato is trying to get across to you is that there is a difference between "PC" preaching and taking offense at what has been said. You're categorizing cato13's position into the group of wackiness that has diluted the discussion on race in this country to the bland discourse that's pinnacle may be viewed on Oprah or some other utterly non-offensive medium. However, I believe what cato13 and I have attempted to express is a lack of compassion for what was said. I'm not telling anyone to pull punches when it comes to stating an opinion. I love Charles Barkley for the exact same reason...he refuses to pander to the lowest common denominator and cuts through the crap that so often dominates commentary these days (particularly the repetitive droning of sports commentary). It's the same reason I dig on Jim Rome on occasion. Both of these guys know that what they say may be offensive, but both are willing to take the heat. You, sir, are not willing to take such heat. Your defensive posture from the get-go an unwillingness to LISTEN. Sure, defend yourself if you feel as if you're being attacked. But, I don't think cato13 or I were attacking. I, for one, was merely pointing out the label I found unnecessary (not necessarily derogatory or overly offensive). The other difference between what Chuck and Rome may say and in what you've had to say is a recognition of what I'll call "the line." The line is not the place at which you curtail your views. The line is not the place at which you hold back. The line is not the place at which you stop self-expression. The line is the place where you know what is about to be said goes beyond the argument and delves into the realm of the unnecessary. A realm where often unprofessionalism and personal attacks reign. Charles knew that it was unnecessary to fight fire with fire when Quitten called him a fat ass. Do you think he held is tongue for fear of repercussion? In my mind, the national discourse on race is not furthered by the unnecessary. Was it necessary to describe the individuals you were jawing with as "black." I think not. ------------------
Sorry, I'm not pulling my words in life. My hero Charles Barkley taught me not to do that. I've learned I find more friendships if I don't, learn more about others if I don't, and make more people feel better about race relations if I don't. cheers...and don't ever assume someone is making a negative comment without giving them a listen, because our children will be better not thinking negatively by "defaut", as you put it!
driver8 quote: "You, sir, are not willing to take such heat." What is with the "You, sir"? And do you really believe I am not willing to take the heat? I don't know what you are saying other than objecting to a choice of description, and looking to change someone's "religious" beliefs. And yes, sir, my beliefs on race/class relations provide me guidance as any religion would. Allow me to contruct a more full response, later. I'll explain how I came to my religious beliefs. I'll explain why they guide me to believe that your stated opinion that "negative interpretations are default interpretations" (to racial expression) is the bottomline reason why race relations are so tense. In return, I would like to ask that you to explain to me from your own experiences why negative interepretations are your default reactions. I will listen to your experiences, but I am not learning anything from you just saying you object and telling me I'm wrong. I've spent much of my life listening to objections like that. I've learned they exist. I understand them. Is there anything else you want me to listen to? Personally, I'd like to learn more about you. I sincerely mean that. Start with how you first learned that describing a man as a "black man" is objectionable to some. please, give me your experience with learning about our culturally-attached expressions, otherwise we learn nothing. I certainly want to write more, but I'll have to do it, later. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited February 07, 2001).]
I always thought this quote from Full Metal Jacket pretty much summed up how I feel about this whole PC race thing. "There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless." Get off your friggin PC, sensitive high horses and start being a human being. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that someone is white, black, hispanic or whatever unless it is in a derragatory manner which has not occured here. ------------------ "Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or where he lives, but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is." -- Barbara Bush
heyp, before i put my 2 abes in...quick question. you wouldn't happen to be Baha'i (religion that is) would you?
verse...no I follow no organizated religion. I use the word "religion" to express how much race/class relations in America guide my beliefs and ethics. Many people try to belittle my position as "academic" like Cato13 did (since I pursued my "religious" studies in formal Linguistics/Anthropology at Rice), or trite like I just want to fit in with blacks or something, and "cant take the heat" to objections. So now I call it my religion. Allow me to write up a more eloquent description of my "religion" later, and how I came upon it. And jamcracker, please don't say it is "wasted breath" to do so. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited February 07, 2001).]
heyp, I think you're taking this discussion to a level which exceeds the content of my original statement. However, I will provide the a few instances that historically have been more than merely a subculture view in American popular culture that exemplify the reinforcement of negative sterotyping: Sambo "The Great White Hope" OJ 2 Live Crew/Sista Soulja/The more recent attacks on the hip-hop culture Apu (on the Simpsons...it doesn't just extend to African-Americans) The culmination of these instances like these continue to infect themselves into the conscisouness of American society. These types of events or proclamations may be ignored to a certain extent, but as a whole are nearly impossible to ignore. One may be able to avoid "buying in" to the general, prevalent view by seeing each individual for who they are. Yet, escaping them entirely is impossible. It's like ignoring that car alarm that's going off outside your house at 3am...you can plug your ears, but it's not going to go away. So when you mention the word "black" to describe somebody, it's not just skin color you have described. It's the association that skin color has to the negative images, stereotypes and popular views that still dominate conventional wisdom in this country that is evoked. But what do I know. I'm just a member of the majority that moved from Texas to California to get away from all the rednecks. Thing is, there is no escape...ignorance is everywhere, it's just a matter of degree. ------------------
You can say that again Diver8.... ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Pardon my ignorance, but could someone please tell me what the topic of this thread has degenerated into? ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
So, I've taken it to a different level, 'eh. What, "you can't take the heat". Sorry, that's just a jab. I don't mean it. I'm here to listen, but you are preaching, and so was Cato13. That's why it appears to you that I've taken it to a different level. I don't allow someone to preach to me about my "religion" withing further prodding on my part until they tell me about themselves, ie, give me something from which to learn. Quit preaching to me driver8. Tell me where your beliefs are grounded in your own experience. Regurgitating pop culture like you just did is not going to teach me anything new. Why should I "LISTEN" to you describe the "consciousness of America", since you keep saying I don't know how to LISTEN? Tell me why. Tell me how pop culture effects you, not some obscure, other consciousness. Tell me how it effects you. If all you are going to do is cite books/pop culture, then let's just swap bibliographies and be done with it. If you want to listen to me and teach me, I need to hear how culture effects you and shapes your thoughts and choice of expressions. In that context, no one can object they can only listen, because it is coming from YOU. I'll repeat my wanting question: What from your own experience taught you that calling a man a "black man" is objectionable to some. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited February 07, 2001).]
And now......(drumroll please).........post 100! ------------------ Charles Barkley on TBS on the "fat track" poll: "What? 47% said I'd gain more.....why those.....they better be glad this is a family show."
