Suns, Warriors and Rockets all candidates for Utah's caproom (ESPN SPECULATION)

I still say look to Miami....IF Odom signs a one-year tender offer with the team. Then we can trade them Rice (I think they have the cap room to accommodate his contract). Whether or not we also trade for Brian Grant, I don't know. I do not want to do anything that might help the Jazz, unless they are dumb enough to part with Harpring and we just give up Rice plus a pick.

 

i think trade proposals should be banned on this bbs. that or relegated to their own forum.

 

You're right...... Harpring isn't too good and he played well because he found a perfect system for him and the best point guard to set him up.

The Grant for Taylor/Cato is a good trade that someone else made up because....although we lose two good productive players....we get rid of their big contracts. We reduce 2 million on our payroll. This would allow us to resign Posey. Grant/Posey for Taylor/Cato sounds good to me. Grant is kinda old but he is a good rebounder and he is a rough defender who would compliment Yao very nicely. He would be able to teach Griffin some things...maybe the Heat could add a 2nd rounder into the trade too. For the Heat, it's good because they get a guy to start at center...Cato...who should be good in the East. And they also get a scorer in Taylor. Oh yeah.....you also said Grant is undersized as a center. Well he did do a good job against Yao when we played against them. Of course he was very sly and was scratching Yao's back and hurting Yao. Great techniques! And his coach is Pat Riley....JVG...

Oh well! It's not gonna happen.....

 

codell has covered it pretty well.

Mo Taylor was a 19 ppg scorer for a bad Clippers team. Sure, maybe he could score 19 a game on a bad Utah team, but Harpring just scored 16+ on a playoff team, on over 50% shooting.

Mo is a starting PF on maybe 5-10 teams (that's generous). Harpring is a starting SF on probably at least half the teams in the league. Given Harpring has the better contract to boot, that's not equal value.

DearRock- Of course every team overpays players, but they come to regret it. And I would agree, yes, Mo Taylor is among the top 29 PFs in the league(probably 23-29 range). So sure he starts for them, but why willingly go into a contract averaging around 9 mill for 4 more years for a bottom of the barrell starter? If Mo had 1-2 years left it'd be one thing, but 4 is a whole 'nother animal. Put it this way- Mo is a free agent right now, do you sign him for 4 years, 36 million? That's basically what you're saying Utah will do, plus give up picks. Not bloody likely.

 

That's just dandy Sane. Run away from your own trade proposal that you couldn't even support from the get go. There are plenty of gullible people on here that will buy your fabricated trades with your fabricated reasoning. It has nothing to do with me being right. It has to do with what I say making sense. My reasons for Utah not making that trade make sense because they are based on facts and not what ifs.

BTW, if you really believed your own reasoning (Mo is "improving" and his capable of scoring 19PPG which would justify is contract and Harping was only an 18PPG scorer because of Stockton and Malone) then you would never keep suggesting this trade. This is the problem with all your trades: You build up all of our players and teardown other team's players to make a trade sound equal when in reality, they are far from equal.

 

Didn't we do the same thing when we got Rice, except that Rice had 3 yrs left?

In some systems Mo could be a mid-level PF. In fact he is able to score 20 /game in Utah if they made him a major option. At this point the Malone shots need to be distributed and if they gave 55-75% of those to MoT he would worth the $9mil. or be within 15% of it. Although MoT is no Malone the fact remains that system sets up it's players so well that a scorer will score. Yes I see MoT as a scorer. He can get high % percentage shots on most nights. Utah should be happy to pay him $9 mil since as we speak they do not have one player with one bona-fide low post move. MoT has a few and played in a difficult system.

 

Can anyone imagine Jerry Sloan and Mo Taylor coexisting? They are just not your basic match made in basketball heaven.

This is not a question of talent but of reality.

Rice could fit in, but why would Utah want him?
Cat could fit in. Boki, too. Maybe Cato.

But not MoT, not likely EG.

No way Stevie, but maybe Mooch.

 

U know, after seeing W. Person makes 7.7 mil, and they are in the need of a bulky center makes me think.........

check this out:

We trade Mo + filler for B. Grant. Now Grant, Yao and Eddie can cover the 4-5 spots well.

We then trade Cato for W. Person. They both make close to the same. They get the banger they need, and we get a great shooter for a year, possibly our starting sf. Then his contract comes off the books!

What do we accomplish? We get rid of Mo's and Cato's long contracts. We get the banger we need(at a hefty price) and add a shooter whose 7.7 comes off the books soon! And we still have the option of what to do w/ Rice!!

 

If Ostertag? and Amechi? can why not MoT. I am not calling for MoT to be traded from a Rockets standpoint. I just wanted to show that I could see Utah being interested.

 

Amechi and Ostertag, contract wise are not comparable to Mo really. Amerchi only has 1 year left @ 2.5 MIL and Tag has 1 year left @ 5 MIL per. Mo has $8 mil per due for the next 5 years. Huge difference.

Also, to assume a team is going to keep making the same mistake is a little presumptious even if one thinks that they are desperate.

BTW, you guys are assuming that Utah has no options and are desperate to take someone like Mo. There are alot of better options for Utah trade wise than a Mo T deal.

 

I think Sane is seriously underestimating the value of Harpring and Kirilenko and overestimating Mo T.

 

Hey! That wouldn't be bad...but Person is old and can't play any defense. Grant equals Taylor but we need a banger....and then we steal him so the Mavs can't get him. We still also have Griffin and Yao.

Are you sure Wesley Person makes that much?!?

Francis/Moochie
Mobley/Piatkowski/Person
Rice/Nachbar
Griffin/Grant
Yao

The good thing would be Rice and Person are both off the books!

Person and Rice are both basically the same player...shoot 3 pointers. It wouldn't be bad at all! As long as we have Yao and Griffin or Grant in with Mobley. They lead our defense...

BUT...Memphis wants to reduce their payroll...I think they would love to have Cato though. So does anything think they would do Cato for Person? Grizzlies have better options than that.....maybe we add a 2nd rd. pick?

Mo + who for Brian Grant? Moochie? I don't think they would do it because their team would be super soft with Mo and Eddie Jones. They did get Dwayne Wade and still got Caron Butler though...I think we would have to add a pick or cash or something.

It would be great if this happened. If not, please state why.

 

I kinda like Hey Dude's trade proposal. It makes sense b/c we get that banger 4 and still gain a shooter in the process. Then have money for next year as well.....sounds like a win win situation to me

 

When you get a chance Codell, like you have not had many already, why don't you take the time to tell us about some of their many options.

Also, why are you repeatedly failing to focus on what I have written. Why suggest that I said MoT is like Tag and Amerchi, financially. I made no such reference. Xiki wrote about players getting along with Sloan and I responded by saying that if Sloan has gotten along with Tag and Amerchi, then it would be a breeze with MoT. No mention of contract size or anything financial.

 

U have the fact confused.
Tag's next yr salary is higher than that.
MoT's has 4 yrs remaining, not 5.

2003 salary is the 1st number.
John Amaechi $2,392,500 4-yr; 10.0M 2003-04
Greg Ostertag $7,799,996 6-yr; 30.0M 2003-04
Maurice Taylor $7,150,000 6-yr; 48.75M 2006-07

R u gonna suggest those options for Utah that r better than MoT?

 

How about thinking about the future rather than a quick "fix"? That's what I would do if I were Utah. The Jazz should realize they aren't going to be competing for anything any time soon, and that an overpaid power forward will only stunt their rebuilding process before it's even started.

I'm not going to say there's no way Utah would trade for MoT. But I will say they'd be idiots if they did. Rebuilding sometimes takes patience.

 

basically once he got to a decent team, he didn't put up big numbers anymore. true, if he went to sorry-ass utah, he might put up some numbers again. but what will it really mean. and what will it mean when utah wants a real PF in their rebuilding. harpring, whether you like it or not, is more highly valued than Mo T right now. 13/6 guys who go 8/4 off an injury cannot have the value of a 17/7 guy who shot amazing percentages. i'm sure people will understand part of the efficiency was flotpon/karla helping out, but the toughness and overall good play are nothing new to harpring. then throw in the huge contract differences, and there is no way mo t gets it done (ESPECIALLY if you already got them to minimum salary land with rice). if the article had stated they would take people already locked up (so they can't escape) i might say mo t has a chance (even though the jazz wouldn't be smart to do it) but since it only mentioned guys in the last years of their contracts, mo t doesn't have any shot to go there that i see.

except he hasn't. ostertag has been far from a sloan favorite for years now and amaechi is in someone sig saying "if you can speak in complete sentences it threatens someone like sloan" or something to that effect so i wouldn't say they're getting along. more like sloan has no choice since they can't be traded.


i like HeyDude's trades but the problem is i don't think there's any "filler" with mo t that gets grant that isn't cato. if miami wants to lose grant's contract, taking on a contract that expires at the same time in mo's doesn't help so the filler would have to be expiring early (which i don't think we have outside of rice) or give them more talent, like cato.

the memphis deal i think makes sense. cato is better than person, and fits the memphis needs of C while getting rid of one of their 9 million swingmen. we obviously win the salary battle. but i don't see how to do the miami trade w/o filler being cato.