Suns trade Ariza for Asset on a Contract that the Tillman is too cheap to sign

Well … its the 15th , both teams can still trade their take and aggregate them with other salary at the deadline ?

 

No the narrative is the same. We are saying if yall thought Ariza's supposedly overpaid contract was bad, we could've still traded him for additional assets.

He would've improved the team with his versatility and if you don't like him, flip him for better stuff.

Basically in retrospect, the decision not to retain Ariza is a poor one no matter how you look at it.

 

Did we anticipate the Wizards making Oubre available in any kind of trade discussion let alone one that involved a pure salary dump?

Everything looks clearer in hindsight.

 

So bc washington traded for him - that cements Ariza's value? Sure... bc washington is great at evaluating talent and making smart moves... lol

I love Ariza and appreciate all he did here (evn in spite of how it ended)... but I do think he's about done - and certainly not worth 15M...

plus letting him walk for 15M is probably far less disruptive than signing and trading him...

...jus sayin...

 

Washington isn't the only team trying to trade for Ariza. Point is ,contrary to popular belief, ariza's 15 million a year deal is a net positive contract. Not signing him is the wrong decision anyway you look at it

The "Tillman is cheap crowd" is on the right side of history.

 

Here you go again on your own going down the only road you’ve ever known

 

Right side of history according to who? Some guy that has an unhealthy love affair with Patrick Patterson or a group of fans that assumes they know every single little detail that goes on behind closed doors?

Bringing Ariza back at $15 million does not make any financial sense if it didn't provide us with the same level of success we experience last year, or more. Last year's team operated at an almost perfect level of efficiency and to assume it can be replicated again is foolish.

Even if we signed Ariza at $15 million and it didn't work out here and we put him on the trading block, how do you know the same deal or the same players/assets could have been had? Bottom line is we don't and we will never know so to think that you or someone else is correct that it's always a mistake in not bringing Ariza back is on the side of arrogance or ignorance. Pick either one.

 

Suns just traded Ariza for NOTHING.

Austin Rivers is on his way out of the league, he's been complete dogshit ever since he left his dad.

Kelly Oubre is a free agent next off-season, Suns aren't going to pay him (because they're on a tank-a-thon). Other teams will give him a better offer as well and be more enticing than to play on a shitty team with one of the worst owners in the league.

 

My god you are stupid... There is literally no financial impact unless you are a cheap ass owner

There is no scenario where adding a 1 year contract is bad for a team OVER THE SALARY CAP. This is basically a cheat code in the nba. You have to be insane to not understand this.

 

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You're not making any sense. There were 8 nba teams trying to trade for Ariza. We KNOW he could be traded. Nba expiring contract is always tradable. Nba expiring contract that can contribute is obviously going to be valuable.

You said it doesn't make financial sense. I'm sure Tillman really appreciate your concern for his financial well being. Please eat at landrys and remember to buy souvenir at your next rockets home game!

 

I know at least one team in Texas that can use depth at guard and wing.

 

fwiw: Due to Salary Matching, $15m is still $15m, whether you sign and later trade it or not. That is, this Ariza trade wouldn't have created Lux Tax Profit for Tilman ... @Carl Herrera

Three thoughts: ​

1. Did Morey get out-smarted by the Suns? Suns had no intention of keeping Ariza, but were fully confident he (and the contract) would be a great asset to trade.
2. Did season-long expectations of Ariza being cut/traded cause interest that otherwise doesn't happen ... (ie WAS doesn't wait to make that trade, as maybe Morey doesn't ask around from Day 1 like PHX did).
3. Did Suns force Ariza to make the decision while on the phone (Take-It-Or-Leave-It Now Proposition), with no ability to ask Morey to match. (per sources)

bottomline: Many of us thought $15m was too much and understood...Clearly we and Morey were wrong, as that contract became a No-Lose scenario ... either Ariza kept RunItBack working or he becomes a very useful Asset ... just needed Tilman to OK the tax payment ... and we get Oubre's RFA rights.

 

Water under the bridge

 

It’s possible that this hurt is stemming from losing Ariza can hurt now and be good later when we aren’t saddled with his contracts. It’s almost probable the rockets ran every last tread off his tires. And where would we be if the butler/picks trade had happened or if Melo was even the shell of his former self? Now Ariza reunion dreams are getting crushed. What now?

We have a team everyone hates. A GM other GMs should be suspicious of, particularly as times are leaning towards desperation. A team that relies on yearly injections of talent not getting it. A new owner. Kinda bland uniforms.

Send help.

 

the owner and front office will repackage another story to sell more season ticket packages. but in the end, harden's illustrious career is basically going to be wasted here.

 

bad look for tilman

 

It is easy to find a way to trade Ariza for a player like Oubre. There is absolutely no need to take Rivers.
Rivers can go to other team.
This could apply to other teams and players too.

When you re-sign a solid player like Moute, you can deal him for a rookie contract like Rozier or small contract like Justin Holiday.