Suns Lose to Hawks. Polish the MVP Trophy for Nash

sorry not the thread but the one guy who rivals flopitzki is ginobili... every freaking time rox play the spurs, he gets run over by a truck somhow

 

You get no argument from me there...

 

And what kind of player was Nash before joining the Suns (the 2nd time)? He was just another good PG. That system is tailored made for him, and he is maximizing it to the fullest. He's the most valuable Suns, but a 3 time league MVP? I remember Jordan winning one back in the 80's even though Magic/Lakers had the better record/superior team.

So just for kicks, since Nash seems to be going towards that legendary status, would anybody here pick Nash over either Stockton, Magic (yeah we know he was 6'9), Isiah (the player), or Cousy?

 

Dirk should be MVP this season.

 

IIRC, he was the best player in the league. the mavs won back to back to back titles before nash left to challenge himself to do it all against with a new team. and now look at the mavs without him, barely treading water. dirk pretty much fell off after losing his crutch.


as for the other suns before nash got there? amare averaged zero points (zero!) 3 years before nash got there. marion was practically an nbdl player, raja bell i don't think he ever made a 3 before joining the suns, barbosa never even got into a game before nash came to the team and made him better, kurt thomas was just some 12th man looking for a roster spot, and boris diaw played for atlanta and was really young so how could he be any good. nash has worked magic over there.

 

you need some sleep, as do I...

 

wade's team is under .500 in a terrible conference. i won't listen to any argument that he's the mvp of the league. i'd almost rather nash win it a third straight time and really make that award a joke.

as much as i dislike everything that is the mavericks i'd have a hard time not giving it to dirk.

 

AMEN TO THAT.

Not only do i think it's a little shady he got 2 in a row, but 3 in a row????

Come on!!

Sure he is a great play maker. A great leader of his team. But MVP again? No thank you.

3 in a row will make me vomit. Can you imagine 15 years from now people reviewing NBA history and saying "Geez, Nash got 3 MVP's in a row, has to be one of the GOAT"

Give me a break.

Don't get me wrong. He is a great player. Extremely valuable and one of the best in the NBA, but cant really give him 3 in a row.

heck, did Jordan even win 3 in a row??? (I really dont know)

 

I've posted this before, but I think it is a good article:

Greatest PGs of all time...
M. Johnson
O. Robertson
I. Thomas
J. Stockton
B. Cousy
W. Frazier
J. Kidd
T. Archibald
S. Nash
G. Payton

Nash has definitely moved up ahead of Kidd and Tiny this year, and is still better than Gary ever was, but I'd still take most of the others above him.

Based on any criteria that Nash should win it, Dirk is better.

Based on other criteria, others are better (Kobe, T-Mac, Gilbert, Lebron).

 

I think most players would rather have the Finals MVP award.

Easy question. Name the only player to have the Finals MVP, regular season MVP, and defensive player of the year award in the same year.

 

our very own hakeem

 

exactly.

what does mvp really mean these days? i always thought it was someone who was so critical to a team's success every single night. and if u look at our stats we don't win much games without tmac.

but apparently it's all about steve nash these days. i mean he won it twice..enuf already..theres guys on 30 other teams that deserve it too. u don't have to just give it to the same guy 500 times.

 

The MVP award is worthless to me. You know all those sportswriters that people post articles from, to make fun of on basketball forums regardless of team? THOSE are the people who decide who gets the MVP.

There's no objective criteria, and the voters are too mentally lazy to apply the slightest bit of logic to their decisions. If someone is the most valuable, then that should mean that he's the best. Yet the MVP award seems to confuse a great player with someone who's a good player on a good team. Essentially, who your TEAMMATES are is what makes you "valuable" to the voters. That's a plain idiotic idea.

After doing a bit of research into the history of the award, and learning nice little facts such as Wilt NOT winning the award in his 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg season (the MVP was Bill Russell, who was -31.5 ppg and -2.1 rpg in comparison to Wilt), I lost any belief in the credibility of the award. I only "care" about who gets it because other people put value into it. 20 years from now, I could definately see revisionist historians talking Nash up into some kind of all-time great.

 

30 other teams, please do name them

 

yo, first post!

id have to go with

Dirk (i hate to see him win it though)
Nash (suns are much easier to shut down without nash, but 3 straight no way)
KG (really deserves it because he is the T'wolves)
Kobe
Arenas (too cocky for me)
T-mac
wade
Bosh


even though you can make the arguement Mavs win when you shut down Dirk but the suns cant win without nash.

 

No doubt Nash deserves MVP this year, but I don't see them giving nash 3 in a row. Whoever wins this year will be stealing nash's mvp.

 

i was just trying to make a point that theres guys on other teams. dont get all technical with me.

thats what i was saying.

 

I agree with most of what you said. But you can't say Kobe's team is "mediocre" and "struggling to stay afloat". LA is having almost as good a season as the Rockets, and they've had to deal with Odom's injury, too. (just like we have) I think it goes Dirk/Kobe then Nash

 

something like this is not so cut and dry.

it isn't too mentally lazy but the fact that you have disagreed with the voters choices. your idea of mvp is just that, yours. I doubt that if you imposed a Criteria of some sort for voters there would be a 100% agreement on that.

this has to be one of the few times such as someone like nash winning it, and it isn't because the mvp is such a r****ded award. there are legitimate reasons he has won.

i think it is up for discussion who should be choosing this award. coaches of the nba? players?

nash by the way is not a good player, he is a great player, it's like saying jvg shouldn't coach because he 's only good at one thing, D

 

yes, however, what is the record? that is what is most impressive. they are the top team in the league, so when yo do something special, it deserves a look at.

kobe is not more valuable to the lakers than tmac. but already stated, why is tmac not considered in kobe's league? injury and slow start, besides tha, there is nothing to really differentiate between tmac and kobe.