i'm sorry but what are the Suns and the Clips offering again? Marion/Johnson/#7? QRich/?/? someone please fill me in on this.
The problem is, he's not the only one who thinks this way. In fact, it's Rockets fans who are the only ones who don't think this way, for better or for worse. Here's one instance to add to Ford's commentary: Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...un20,1,435830.story?coll=orl-sports-headlines Regarding the same Houston deal: "It's not the best deal for Orlando. A whole new backcourt is nice, but Francis and Mobley have had problems sharing the ball in the past. And Cato disappoints more than he impresses." The general consensus amongst the media here as well as the fans here and in other cities is that Houston's deal is not the best for the Magic in the least. And, it's not all McGrady calling the shots, as many seem to think.
It's in the first post in the thread. Suns: Marion, Jacobsen, and #7 or Johnson. Clippers: Maggette, Wilcox, #2.
Ford's comments are just plain stupid, to be honest. If Orlando doesn't want the deal, that's fine, but they would be way undervaluing Francis and Mobley. And some Orlando columnist said Francis' baggage is exponentially greater than T-Mac's. Who is he kidding? It depends on what Orlando wants to do. If they want zero hope in the next 3-5 years, then they should go for nothing more than kids (Clippers offer). If they want to be a playoff team next season, they would instantly be one with the Rockets deal. mfclark - you seem hellbent on proving that Orlando controls the situation. As long as T-Mac says he's willing to play for multiple teams, then you're right - they do. As flakey as he can be though, you better hope they take the right deal fast. I wouldn't put any stock in Insider though. I think the Clippers' offer/interest is legit, but you can read that in the same place Ford did this morning: several printed newspapers.
I just don't see how the Suns or the Clips are offering that much more than the Rockets. Marion and Steve are very close but Steve is by far the more marketable player and Cat is far and away better than anything else shown from the Suns plus throw in Cato and I just don't see it. As for the Clips offer(if you can call it an offer) Steve is head & shoulders above Maggetty and Cat is better than Wilcox & anybody they can pick at #2 combined. Throw in Cato who can be a very good center in the east. Well that offer is shot down in flames. This is more about Chad's hatred for Steve then about kind of scoop.
only offer that is comparable to Houston's is Phoenix. I'm not the one wearing the blinders, but if you think you can get more than a 3 time allstar PG, a SG who plays both sides of the floor and a 7'0 center who would easily be in the top 3 in the east, then ?
So is everyone else. Doesn't make his any less authentic than anyone else's; then again, I guess his "sources" don't count for anything, eh?
Thank you for proving my point. You all value Francis, Mobley, and especially Cato way too much. That is all.
what sources?? where is he citing sources?? he's given his subjective opinion and saying that because of that he doesn't think the deal will go down. that's it.
It's not about marketability. As I've said before in another thread, Francis is not that popular in Orlando. The one player on the Rockets who is popular is Yao, and it doesn't really matter how popular Francis is outside of Orlando as it won't impact the box office. What will is winning, and Marion is an all-star forward. As Clutch himself said in a nother thread, it's the draft picks that are alluring to rebuilding teams. Mobley isn't a player you rebuild around. Cato certainly isn't. The #2 or #7 pick are, however. And Mobley better than Howard or Livingston? Sure, maybe now, but the Magic are trying to win a title, not be 41-41 for the rest of their lives.
That Clippers deal is far and away the best available if true. Orlando gets Howard and Okafor or Howard or Okafor and trade one or two to Charlotte for their picks and other considerations plus they get a very nice PF in Wilcox and SF in Maggette. No way Houston deal coes cl;ose to that in value. Looks bad for the Rockets if Ford is right.
Since when does commentary from columnists equate to actual reporting of source-based information...well, outside the Debate & Discussion forum anyway?
no, i believe you under value them. I believe the phoenix offer is better, but it certainly isn't the best situation for TMac.
He's citing sources as to why the other deals are possible, which no one here seems to believe. It is his opinion that another deal will go down, because the other - better - options are there.
no one here is saying other deals aren't possible. but that doesn't qualify as a SOURCE, mfclark. he says he thinks the rockets aren't offering as nice a package, so the magic will likely pass on it. fine. but that's not a source...that's not breaking news...it's an opinion and then a guess based on that opinion.
I think the 'offers' from Pho and the Clips are good...the draft picks are the pocket aces that they hold. #2 from the clips could be traded to Atlanta for Jason Terry or whatever. Eh...que sera sera. I think their deals are better in the rebuilding mode while the Rockets' deal is better if the Orlando Magic wants to win right now.
Yeah well I think T-Mac wouldn't mind being on national T.V. in the U.S. and in China all the time. Think of all the kids in China sporting his Jersey. Lets see Yao is on Mcdonalds, Apple, and also a huge credit card company. That my freinds is major kick ass indoresement. I'm sure he would like to market his shoes in China as well...Lets all realize the marketing power of Mr. Ming he blows away everyone else. Oh yeah and he is only going to be in his 3rd freaking NBA season. If he wants big money he pushes Orland to trade with Houston. Thats all there is to it.
Another point of reference for the Clippers deal... This time, from Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribune... http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...29jun21,1,1113027.column?coll=cs-sports-print
