[Sunday Times]Tibetan monks beaten as police halt dissent

At least that's something we can agree on!




D&D. Impeach Bush's Dog and the Pastry Chef.

 

Wow, you make it too easy. Two words: Vietnam. Iraq (x2).

 

Are you referrign to the Chinese invasion of Vietnam?

You already got to invade Vietnam. The principle of "they got to do it so IT'S CHINA'S TURN!" doesn't apply here.

You never answered my question as to whether or not China gets to have slaves. Do you get to have slaves? If you say no you are a hypocrite and should go outside and howl at the moon.

 

He sacked Rumsfeld. Everyone agrees it should've been sooner, but your point was that Bush is ignorant to public protests.

War isn't in the best interests of our people. You will say Taiwan is your territory, which is fine because American government agrees. But we also have a longstanding agreement with the people who live their to protect there rights and traditions. I don't think neither side wants to disrupt the status quo, even your hawks and our hawks don't seem to want to stir things up at the moment.

Beyond Taiwan, the US has no intent of going to war with your country. Nor will it use Taiwan as a pretext to invade your mainland. Quite frankly, your increases in military spending and arms trade with nations that have questionable democratic records disturbs us (the American government and public) greatly. If you were in our position, wouldn't you strike up arrangements with China's neighbors to balance against your growing influence?

You can take that as the US gov. bringing you down, but the truth is in our actions. We are your largest trading partner. Every year trade restrictions between our countries weaken. Every year the trade gap between our nations sway larger in your favor.

The trade between our countries has benefited all our peoples, and you think we are out to destroy or oppress you? That doesn't stand up to reason.

As mentioned before, AQ targets civilians as well as military personel.

The fear in Iraq is that if we evacuate immediately, more citizens will be killed in a bloodbath that will make the last 5 years pale in comparison.

The last time I checked, we are not at war with each other, nor has the US targeted Chinese citizens. Your comparison doesn't click.

 

Lawl, at least we didn't freaking stay there, we pulled out after a few months. How many years did you get to ruin Vietnam? About 10?

Why do we need foreign slaves when we have 1.3 billion people already, many of which are poor farmers and will do whatever construction or factory job we need because it pays better?

It's funny how you get to deny your own history. American arrogance and ignorance at its best.

 

I'm going to make a list of things China should be allowed to do since it's not fair that they didn't get allowed to do them, please feel free to add

1. Invade and occupy more countries.
2. Use nuclear weapons (thanks max).
3. Have african slaves.
4. Have some pogroms, auto-da-fe's, inquisitions, or other religious persecutions.
5. Have Jim Crow laws
6. Use mustard gas on civilians
7. Hawley-Smoot Tariff
8. Ban Liquor sales on Sunday

 

That's because China managed to lsoe as many soldiers in two weeks as the US did in 10 years. LOL, if China had to stay in Vietnam, there would be no PLA left to bring freedom to Tibetans in the form of bullets.

So you're saying China SHOULD get to have slaves? But that you just don't need them?

 

Uh.. actually, China stayed in Vietnam for about.. 1000 years -- before the French came. And China can suck it (coming from someone who has experience with their crappy no quality control products).

Oh -- and boohoo, all this back and forth is just a big cryfest from poor China who feels so oppressed by the imperialists and who is so afraid of her own shadows.. it's hard to keep 1.5 billion people together -- I mean, ethnically, 40-50% are minority groups not Han, and they haven't really given up their customs and histories, have they? China ought to be scared.. the Ughuirs and Tajiks out west, the Tibetans down south, the Naxi, the Dao, etc...

Anyways, we get it. China's been bullied (*tear*). And it's hard to keep all those different kinds of people together (oh, it's so hard!). But at some point, man up and stop the sobfest for yourself. No one's looking to embarrass ya'll. You are doing a great job of that yourselves.

 

So, let me summarize the discussion so far:

Americans: Hey! You Chinese are doing something wrong!

Chinese: Well, you did something much much worse and you are still benefiting from it, so what gives you the moral high ground to criticize us, not to mention that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Americans: Bull****! We know what we are talking about and you are wrong! And just because we did something bad and never been punished for it, it doesn't mean you can do what we think is bad! Oh, you are also a commie and YOF!

Chinese: ... well what you are saying sounds rather unfair to me since you haven't been punished for doing much worse things than what you are accusing us. However, since there are far more of you here than us, I don't think it's a good idea to waste my time trying to making you understand my point of view.

 

So are these the things that the Americans are proud of doing?

 

They are complaining and they are trying to justify what their country is doing. None of them is crying. You seem to be the one who's crying here. Your dramatization of the discussion is stupid. You have embarrassed yourself enough here. Stop it.

 

I've never understood Tibet has been such a hot issue. I mean, there's no oil there, it's not located in Europe nor the Americas, and it's not even a country. For all practical purposes, we're talking about a simple internal problem within another country. *yawns*

 

who said we aren't allowed? when i went back a few weeks ago, people were talking about stuff. and also, why would anyone be against us in tibet? it's NOT an invasion. the idea of tibet is part of china, came before communist government. way before. way way before. heck, even republic of china (taiwan) has tibet part of china. HECK, their map of china even included mongolia up til a few years ago. it has nothing to do with communism.

and does it matter how you disguise it. saying you didn't want lash out and invade iraq, but doing it on the other hand, doesn't make it any better. the result is there. face the consequence.

 

at least we have a real reason to go there. because there are border disbute. on the other hand, why were yall there? ya, kill people.

 

LOL, i would change some of the wording. but ya, that's pretty much it

 

yuantain <> clutchfans china
hong kong > mainland

 

No, it is a list of things China should be allowed to do since the US did it once.

Keep up man.

Let me say for the fifth time that the "China gets to be a territorial expansionist in the 20th century becausee the US was expansionist in the 19th C." argument is not only stupid, but false because it presumes that China never received the benefit of aggressive territorial expansionism prior to the 20th century - this presumption is untrue, given the thousands of years of imperial expansionism prior to that.

 

spell my username correct. please... pretty please
when i was in hong kong a few years back. i found it to be very small

 

what has the mainland produced?
Hong Kong produced Chow yun Fat, Jackie Chan, and Bruce Lee.

 

YAO MING > Chow Yun Fat + Jackie Chan + Bruce Lee
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