[Sunday Times]Tibetan monks beaten as police halt dissent

"We have to make every effort for the elimination of nuclear weapons. However, the assumption that few nations are OK to possess nuclear weapons and the rest of the world should not, that's undemocratic."

"As long as some of the major world powers continue to possess nuclear weapons, it is not right to outright condemn India's actions. After all, India is a large country with its own nuclear perceptions."

That is what China calls "supporting India's testing of nuclear weapons".

 

No, nobody deserves it.

Do we know all that Monks did was painted the wall white?

 

I know some monks got beaten for cheering for the Dalia Lama.

Maybe Dalia Lama should have told his monks to wear Yao Ming jerseys to avoid getting beaten down.

YallMean,
don't blame me that you don't know the lessons of Star Trek. you need to learn them, it will make you live long and prosper.

 

I don't think authoritarian governments work that efficiently with a large populations, especially one the size of China. All of the reasons YuanTian mentioned are matters of scale. I'm not saying democracies have no corruption, but at least they have measures to improve transparency and accountability for it. One of its lynchpins is free speech and free media.

Another factor is whether the extreme poor can continue to be contained in light of growing disparities between rural and urban areas. China is doing its hardest to keep its command infrastructure underneath its relaxed economic regions. It controls/heavily influences banks and industry, and it passes strong laws to protect and grow domestic companies. The consequence of this is that it isn't as reactive to swings in economy and the needs of the people.

Japan and other Asian countries have done well in maintaining paternalistic quasi-democracies, but if China doesn't relax its powers in the spheres of free speech and free market, it will face the problems Russia had in the 80s or the political deadlock Japan had in the 90s that prevented both of them from enacting crucial reforms.

 

i'm derailing the thread by posting what the thread was about:
Tibetan monks beaten as police halt dissent

Hundreds of Tibetan Buddhist monks celebrating the award of a US honour to the exiled Dalai Lama have clashed with Chinese police, resulting in an unknown number of injuries and arrests.

Such violence has become unusual in recent years as China has tightened its grip on the region. The entry by police into Drepung monastery, on the outskirts of the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, was a sign of the hard line adopted against any sign of dissent.

Dozens of monks had begun repainting with whitewash the exterior of a hall assigned as the residence of the Dalai Lama inside Drepung to show their joy after the US Congress awarded its highest civilian honour, personally bestowed by President Bush in Washington last week.

Members of the paramilitary People’s Armed Police moved in to stop the monks, who left peacefully to take part in morning prayers. When the monks returned to resume painting the police moved in again, resulting in violent scuffles, according to sources who declined to be identified for fear of repercussions. The Hong Kong newspaper Ming Pao said that the clash involved hundreds of monks.

Three thousand armed police surrounded the sprawling monastery, once the largest in the world with as many as 10,000 monks in residence, and refused to allow anyone to leave. Local sources said that hundreds of monks may have been arrested and several injured. Similar clashes were reported at the smaller Nechung monastery.

China, which reviles the Dalai Lama as a separatist, denounced the award of the Congressional Gold Medal as a “farce” that would hurt relations between Beijing and Washington. Beijing called in the US Ambassador and said that the decision had gravely undermined ties between the countries.

The clashes coincided with China’s ruling Communist Party concluding its 17th Congress yesterday with an announcement that it had included a reference to religion in its constitution for the first time.

Officials have been enraged by the loyalty of Tibetans to the Dalai Lama, who fled into exile in 1959 after an abortive uprising against Chinese rule and has since lived in India. So nervous is China at his persistent influence among the deeply religious Tibetans that it has banned all photographs of him.

 

I agree.

But China (mainland) has been under authoritarian control since the civilization begins. It certainly isnt working efficiently. I am arguing that China may never transfrom into a soceity like western countries. I am not arguing that is a good thing or bad thing. Because I can see good arguements from both sides under China's circumstances.

But from what I hear and read, China is trying to engaging more gross root partcipation in the political system, whether whole heartedly or for the sake of longevity of CCCP. But I think it's encouraging.

 

Should he be advocating all nations should get rid of nuclear weapons, there is no excuse whatsoever to have them, if he is peace-loving.

 

Well, Al Gore was just awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.




D&D. Attempt to Keep it Civil!

Impeach Bush.

 

Really. Wow! Nice.

 

isn't it ironic that you guys are like the reverse robot

 

The United States didn't 'take" Texas. Texans took Texas. We were independent for a decade, were recognized by the major European powers, and joined the United States by treaty. I can't speak to California.



D&D. Attempt to Keep it Civil!

Impeach Bush.

 

the tibetans should have hired robots to paint the walls instead so they wouldn't get beaten down so badly.

next time i paint my house, i'm going to watch out for the USA Army or Austin Police, make sure they don't beat me up.

 

as far as i'm concerned. the current government in a way is same as the imperial times, one party = one imperial family. but instead of ruling family, we have a ruling group of people coming from all backgrounds initially. and that's ok with me. i don't want to vote when a bunch of "idiots" out vote me. and when those "idiots" don't really what they are voting for. at present, better education is more important than voting.

 

i have advice for you yuantian,
be really really careful when you paint your house.

and

don't dress like a monk for Halloween.

 

Read the first sentence. What he said is "we should do our best do get rid of them, but don't be upset if they have them when you have them. They are like you."

 

"it is not right to outright condemn India's actions"

wrong to interpret that as an endorsement ...

 

Try repainting it with a hammer and sickle or paint "Long Live Osama bin Laden" on your wall, and I'm sure you'll hear it from your neighbors. And the FBI.

It's entirely obvious what they're trying to do with the painting of the wall.

 

why would i do that? what does Osama have to do with the Dalia Lama?

I think those dude's just painted the walls white. I'm guessing they were using the wrong paint or something. I don't their neighbors beat them up, I think it was the police. Also I don't they drew anything, no stick figures of Yao Ming or Ying Yangs or Ken or Ryu.

 

Damn, what happens if the Dalia Lama and Paris Hilton together show up in China?

 

Wow! KRS-ONE, Public Enemy, De la Soul and Bizmarkie are down with Tibet!
They got hip-hop on their side.

Nobody beats the Biz! Nobody bets the Biz!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Freedom_Concert
With the release of the Beastie Boys album Ill Communication in 1994, the Milarepa Fund was born. The Milarepa Fund's founders were Adam Yauch of the Beastie Boys and Erin Potts. The organization was named after Milarepa, the revered eleventh-century Tibetan saint who used music to enlighten people. Originally designed to disburse royalties from Ill Communication to benefit Tibetan monks who were sampled on two songs, it took off when Milarepa Fund organizers joined the Beastie Boys as they headlined the 1994 Lollapalooza Tour. During the tour, the idea of staging a Live Aid-style concert for Tibet was born.

Organized in June 1996, the first concert (in San Francisco) featured acts such as Smashing Pumpkins, Cibo Matto, Rage Against the Machine and De La Soul. It drew 100,000 people and raised over $800,000 for Tibetan and social justice causes. The concerts continued until 2001, generating unprecedented public awareness about the Tibetan plight, particularly amongst young people. This helped spur the growth of Students for a Free Tibet worldwide.


New York City

Downing Stadium, Randall's Island June 7th & 8th 1997 $250 000 raised Over 50 000 Attendees

Foo Fighters, U2, Sonic Youth, Biz Markie, Alanis Morissette, Patti Smith, The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Radiohead, Yungchen Lhamo, Ben Harper & The Innocent Criminals, A Tribe Called Quest, Beastie Boys, Rancid, Björk, Pavement, Blur, Michael Stipe & Mike Mills, Taj Mahal and Phantom Blues Band, De La Soul, Dadon, Chaksam-pa, Nawang Khechog, The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Eddie Vedder & Mike McCready, KRS-ONE, Noel Gallagher, Sonic Youth, Porno for Pyros, and Lee Perry featuring Mad Professor & the Robotiks Band

Speakers: Palden Gyatso - Former Political Prisoner, Dechen Wangdu - Tibetan Activist, Chuck D - Public Enemy, Xiao Qiang - Human Rights in China, Nane Alehandrez - Barrios Unidos