[Sunday Times]Tibetan monks beaten as police halt dissent

Precisely what I was alluding to. I'm suprised to hear you refer to opium in an argument that societies should intervene in cultures they consider inferior.

 

You are right. Civil Rights protests were just for show and never accomplished anything.

 

I've actually gotten the sense that many Chinese are still bitter about Western colonization, as they have a right to be. I think we can agree that colonization did have serious negative effects.

 

To be fair, he was talking specifically about the Iraq issue. I do think he failed to see the point that while both the US and Chinese governments are doing some pretty bad things, at least many people in America oppose what their government is doing.

 

can the chinese people vote out their president or government?
who decides to be in their government?

 

mandate of heaven !

 

nah, west never colonized china. tiny part of china yes. just that internet allows chinese to hear what other people are saying. and they don't like what they are hearing.

 

i see that. no one is perfect. instead of just talk trash to each other, why not try to fix your own problem first? then you can talk all you want. it's not like chinese people don't know what's wrong. we want to fix things ourselves at our own speed with our own method. i don't think there is anything wrong with that. our priority at the moment, is NOT the same as what you guys think our priority should be.

 

yuantian,
what exactly can YOU do to fix the problem as a citizen of China? lets say you really don't like what's going on there, what can you do to tell the government that you don't want that to happen?

 

I yuantian got it right, to many people in the US China should worry about its political system first. To most Chinese, they are more worried about improving their living standards, better education, healthcare and retirement. Should Chinese people be telling the people in the US what they should worry about first? When China is as rich as the US I am sure people will be worrying about many of the things people in the US are worried about right now.

Even thought China is the #3 economical entity, but on a per capita base it does even get to top 100.

 

what's wrong with worrying about everything?
worry about your house instead of others? what if other people's houses are burning? you won't help them?

thats not the right philosophy for the human race.

 

Everything needs priority due to limited resources and time. I think people in China would take the good and bad in the political system currently instead of trading it for what happend in Russia or India (even though everyone say democracy is better in the US).

 

He was the first one to stand behind India after it tested Nuke. Peace-loving? Hardly.

If Monks breaks civil laws, they are subject to same treatment as other civilians do.

 

Yeah, the same as what US did in California and Texas. National interest. It stinks. But there is no higher moral ground here.

 

top problems i see happening in china right now,

1) environment - government is currently raising awareness among citizens. what average citizen can do is, actually start listening to the government. when i went back, one of my cousins threw some trash on the street. i picked it up and put it in the proper trash can. so really, there are a lot of things every chinese citizen can do. government can only do so much. it's up to the citizens to start doing their part.

2) social/economic gap & corruption - government is trying to create a bigger portion of middle class in china. what average citizen can do is, actually follow the ****ing law. instead of using backdoors and bribery, follow the law. that would get rid of a lot of complains about the government. corruption is 2 way, officials are the receiving end. if there are no one bribing them, then there would be much corruption. but that's a culture issue, not a political issue.

3) freedom of speech - government is allowing more freedom of speech. even though it's slow, but today, chinese can speak pretty much about anything, as long as you do not start organizing events that disrrupt social stability.

those things i see as more important that ANYTHING else right now. a lot of them are not really government's fault. a lot of them are bad habits and ignorance.

 

Lot of China's problems are historical and cultural. People outside China cant really grasp it. That's why there is so much bickering here on this board. Is China going to transform to a society just like what it is in America. It's going to take a long long time if it ever going to happen. I dont think we can blame people for their bad habits and ingorance as you described entirely, when the political system is not open for grass root participation on top of 40 year of iron fist control, 10 year education stoppage in the 60's and 70's and as well as social chaos during that period. If anything, I think China will evolve into something very different from the western political regime. Maybe like Japan, a quasi-democracy with a large wealthy middle class base.

 

Yeah...give 'em the beat down!!!!!


(the India stuff is something I'm not very well educated on. I'll look into it)

 

Nobody said anything about moral high ground. And it has nothing to do with california and texas.

You guys just keep reflexively bringing this kind of irrelevant stuff up STILL, 10 pages in - it's like tinman is right about all the collective robot stuff.

 

So if they paint some walls white they deserve to be beaten?

 

You guys? Are you generalizing. Who guys? I dont know what others have said. It's collective robot stuff from your mouth to many uncritical minds too.

What I was saying is that Tibet is a national interest to China. What you said is partialy true. What China needs to do a good job is to make Tibetans happy, religiously too. Other countries dont go out give out medal of honor to US dissdents, do they? Isnt US acting on higher moral ground, when its track record is not so great either. I dont aggree with China on a lot of things, but the whole Tibet situation just irritates me when people like you and tinman make disrepectful comments like you know everything.