[Sun-Sentinel] QB Sage Rosenfels agrees to terms with Texans

Exactly. They may be, and probably are right that we're not taking VY. But using this and Carr signing the extension as proof that we're not shows how much they really know about football.

I'm going to be very happy with Bush, but some of his supporters/VY haters sure aren't helping with that. As long as my new second favorite team (tbd) does enough to shut them up.

 

The only reason I think this shows something is because I wasn't expecting Vince to be starter his first year.....

And this guy I don't think would be a starter.. so if we are drafting Vince we could be having both this guy and Vince on the bench making big money?

 

only reason I say I wasn't expecting Vince to be starting the first year was all the talk about him going to Tenn and learning behind McNair... I think a year on bench to learn the pro style offense might be a good idea

 

Teams say that, and in theory it's a good idea. But there's always too much pressure for it to work. The Giants were actually winning games two years ago, and they still turned the offense over to Eli Manning midway through the season. When you bring in a young quarterback with the name of a Vince Young or Matt Leinart, there's enormous pressure from fans to see them on the field. And when you combine that with the fact that most of these teams are going to suck and have nothing to lose from playing rookies, it's very likely Young starts for a good portion of next season.

Also, Rosenfels is as quality of a backup you can find that's content with having no chance to be the starter. There are a few better options (Brian Griese) in terms of skill, but they all want to go somewhere they have a chance, regardless of how small, to be the man and stick if they perform well. That's not the case here, whether it's Carr or Vince.

 

I don't think the Texans will take VY, but from the start the possibility of him landing with the Texans hinged with trading Carr, signing another back-up does not impact this.

What is laughable is the idea you wouldn't consider taking the best college football player last year, one with a combination of speed, elusiveness, strength and composure about never seen, and one who plays the games most important position. Lots of those best PROSPECT ever guys for RBush thought he was the best college football player as well, proven quite wrong when guys considered the best college football players were all on the same field. Finally, lots of guys passed over McNair, McNabb, Culpepper, and Marino (perhaps because of sub 17 Wonderlics), they thought they were wise.

Personally I think the Texans should trade down--be it for VY, MW, DF, VD or even Reggie Bush (if he did slide and it didn't take 1st overall pick kind of dough to sign him), but the Texans have to live with it, not me.

We will now soon if the Texans take Bush with the overall #1, it is probable, but we will more importantly know in a few years if the Texans and many of the buffoons here like ITiot2000 were wise in their assessments.

 

the cat...

Let's say for a minute that we do draft VY. When would be the best time to try and trade Carr? The fact that they are signing a backup qb would make me think that they plan on not having both Carr and VY next year.. unless this is a normal size contract for a backup qb.. but it seems a little big for someone who would be third string in the case that you had Carr and VY

 

"the best college football player by a wide margin"
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He is so good that he may not crack the top five or the top 2 QBs selected. Also I love how you described Young, i could not have said it better myself (note nothing about passing ability).

 

anybody else see the irony in this?

 

The proof was in the crystal earned on the field (and the what, close to 500 total yards), not the media highlight award.

Teams squander their drafts all the time. There is a reason there are consistent bottom feeders in pro sports.

And your right, if he only goes top 7 that must mean he sucks (most probably top 4). Because all the greatest players have been drafted top 7, right.

1st player ever to hit the combination PASSING and running mark. He passed for over 250yards and about 70% completion % in his teams two more important games this season. One of the top passing efficiency leader. You sir have no case from his college passing resume. You can try to argue it won't translate to the pros for whatever reason you can dig up (that his passing resume is a product of everyone else on the Longhorns except the guy throwing the ball), but you can't argue based on college record or resume.

You are so far behinT this one BT.

 

Here's an interesting thread from Soonerfans.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64354

They're debating who they'd rather have: Josh Heupel or Vince Young.

 

Can't wait till I see Bush in our Texan uniform.

 

DS-good find BT. The more objective Sooner fans are repeating lots of the same arguments on this BBS. Of course the JW in that thread is the Heisman winner Jason White.



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JH was good, and deserves his accolades, but for arguments sake, here is the rebuttal: VY is being touted as one of the greatest college qb's of all time. I don't see that ink for Huepel. JY made the the Heisman winner look silly in the head to head meeting. VY also outplayed the FORMER Heisman in the same head to head meeting. VY accounted for 3000 yds passing and 1000 yds rushing, a feat never done before. And say what you want about the Wonderlick (bizzare, to say the least, but it has nothing to do with college football) , but VY was a GREAT team leader, not just an athletic freak. But still, I view this thread as progress--it used to be how much better JW was than VY. At least THAT argument has ceased, thank God.


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JH, theirs no question. VY won that by himself. JH didn't do that, the team did. The team won the national championship in 2000, not just josh


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Neither VY or JH were blessed with absolutely great receivers--they both made the players around them better.

 

Absolutely. Carr and VY weren't ever going to be on the same roster, despite some claiming it was a possibility. As for the best time to deal Carr, your guess is as good as mine.

 

He doesn't need to talk about passing ability - most know that the top rated passer in the country (over the regular season) can pass the ball just fine.

As for the best player in the country talk, what possible relevance does where a player is drafted in the NFL have to do with how good they were as a college player?

Vince could go undrafted, never play a down in the NFL, and it has absolutely no correlation to whether he was "the best player in the country by a wide margin" in college. None whatsoever. Two entirely different leagues.

 

Yea just like he needed to talk to talk about his speed and composure, we didn't know that?

As for the rest, you pretty much made my point as to why I think Vince will not be a good pro. So to all those that bring up college, it has nothing to do with the NFL. Thanks cat

 

I am fine with the argument Reggie Bush will be the better pro player than Vince Young. I personally don't agree and have laid out my reasons many times (e.g., most importantly VY's combination of skill sets in less athletically phenomenal packages have been very successfull--just see McNair and McNabb for 2 examples). I am also fine if someone says VY is a lot riskier (more likely to fail). I am also have a slight opening to change my opinion based on pro day results (VY throwing and skill tests, Bush's weigh in and skills tests).

But the argument who was the best college player last year is over. It went to the player recognized by the Maxwell Award, not the "other" best college football award (Heisman). In fact once the three main candidates were all on the same field you could make a good case the RB among them was the 3rd best, but it was obvious VY was THE best.

 

I'm sure that's what you're hoping for.

How many qbs were drafted ahead of Gino Toretta?


What round do you think Reggie Mcsteal is gonna be drafted in? Hope he isn't caught stealing car stereos before April. That could be a sticky situation.

 

Honestly what did you expect them to say?


You'd rather have Wade Neiman over any UT player, but you gotta remember, UT has whipped Rice the last 8 times they've played them. Also, UT has more CWS titles thatn Rice has cws appearances.

 

Please show some respect for the two players' names who have scoreboard on the horns in Omaha. It's Wade Townsend (Longhorn killer himself) and Jeff Niemann. They are two different people.

Your silly stat about the 8 games in a row is absurd. Those games are the super bowl for UT-Austin. For example, they threw two of their three best pitchers last Tuesday against the Owls. (that came back to bite UT-Austin in the azz this past weekend as Kyle M was obviously tired and LBSU took him down...) Rice was throwing their 5th, 6th best pitchers and even a freshman who had never even pitched before.

 

A Rice fan telling me the Texas-Rice baseball series is a super bowl for Texas. This is the lamest, most pathetic, asinine excuse you have come up with yet. If anything, the opposite is true.