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Suggestion: Start Boki over JJ

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jlwee, Dec 19, 2004.

  1. Mr. Clutch

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    I didn't have a question.
     
  2. ToothYanker

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    Not to hijack this thread, but while we're at it, can we start Barret also??
     
  3. CriscoKidd

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    Not even a rhetorical rolleyes one? :rolleyes:

    What we really need to do is start this lineup:

    Cookie monster
    Spoon
    Nachbar5mof
    TMac
    Su-ra

    fun times.
     
  4. pasox2

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    Look, the season is over, why NOT start the Bokinator? Start Barrett, too. Who cares? It's all exhibition games the rest of the way. Just get Yao and Tmac used to working together, and fire anyone that gets in their way.
     
  5. gucci888

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    Boki isn't a great scorer but he can hit open shots, something this team needs.

    He's not the next Dirk or Peja, but the guy is shooting 47% from 3-point land, far better than any other player on the Rockets.
     
  6. Hard Rock

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    actually, Boki's got enough chances to "learn" for the past few seasons.

    the best defense is put your man in foul trouble and send him to the bench and Dirk is much better doing that than Boki.
     
  7. gucci888

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    The fact is that we're complaining about the lack of athleticism and shooting, Boki may not be Dirk, but he can provide these things.

    There is absolutely no point of putting Boki on the IL, none.
     
  8. Mooch

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    actually i think this is a good idea.. we need someone else to become a scorer on the bench.. and jj would be the guy... doesnt mean boki is better then jj to start but might give them a diff look
     
  9. Charvo

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    You think so? I do not. He'll sign on with either the Suns or Nuggets. He needs to play on an uptempo team.

    The wierd part about it is that the Rockets are going more uptempo as seen by the last few games, and Boki would play better with this pace.

    The same can be said of Andre Barrett. If Barrett isn't playing in an uptempo game, then where else will JVG play him?

    Barrett and Boki are now in the JVG doghouse.
     
  10. hooroo

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    jj's playing too many minutes. i think his form has slumped from fatigue. imo gaines should be given time at sf not pg. boki was never noted for his 3pt shooting but gaines was.
     
  11. NIKEstrad

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    Did you not read my post? He's shooting 35% from the field. Over the last half of his 3 point attempts, he's shooting 27%. He's not hitting his open shots. And when you don't hit open shots and don't play defense, you just don't have much value.

    I'd look to Reece Gaines for athleticism before I look to Boki.
     
  12. gucci888

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    Hmm...let's see

    Bowen- .250% 3-pointers
    Gaines- .222% 3-pointers
    Jackson- .380% 3-pointers
    Lue- .341% 3-pointers
    TMac- .294% 3-pointers
    Sura- .200% 3-pointers
    Ward- .314% 3-pointers
    Boki- .476% 3-pointers

    Boki saw some good minutes earlier in the season and was able to hit 70% of his 3's. His minutes got cut down significantly and he was never able to find his rythm again in the games. You can't just come in and hit 3's when you play 1 game and then sit out the next 3.

    Look at the stats Nike. You're right, he's not that great of a shooter, but far better than any other person on the team.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Boki has 28 fouls while Jim Jackson has 60. T-Mac has only 51 fouls! Jim and T-Mac have played way more than double Boki's minutes. He can't stay with anybody so he has to foul.
     
  14. gucci888

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    Boki plays agressive defense, I'm pretty sure JVG told Boki to atleast play defense agressively, unfortunately (like you said) he ends up fouling the guy.

    But our PFs and PGs are getting schooled every single game. Howard/Taylor/Lue/Sura have been outplayed in almost all of their games. From Dirk to Okafor to Brevin Knight, night in-night out, PFs and PGs are killing us the most, not a couple fouls by Boki.
     
  15. dfoolz

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    Boki's career is over. Euro League bound!
     
  16. ron413

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    Think again fool.
     
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    At least with Boki there's the potential of him hitting 3 point shots and scoring. Yes the stats don't show much Nike, but would you not agree that just from watching Boki play, you can tell he has much more scoring potential than Bowen? You know what you're going to get from Bowen, but Boki always has the potential to blossom into a pretty good player with minutes.
     
  18. jiggadi

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    I understand some of you folks are hoping for something. Hell I was hoping we could see mo taylor do something but I have given up on him. He is a pu$$ and so is boki. We have a few guys on our team that have no heart.

    Its not the system its the players not playing right. Tough d and hustle equals p.t. but they already know that. They either can't do it on the nba level or they have given up on themselves.


    who knows. I'm frustrated just like the rest of you.
     
  19. NIKEstrad

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    Sure he has more scoring potential than Bowen. So do I.

    I see pretty much the same things in Boki that I saw from Langhi- except Langhi had a couple semi-big games. (17 pts in year 2 in one game). This is Boki's 3rd year, and he hasn't cracked 12 points. I'm not asking for a string of 15+ games or something. It has nothing to do with minutes- any scorer will at some point break through. Boki hasn't done it, and he wasn't a teenager when we drafted him. Andre Barrett was undrafted from the Knicks practice squad, yet even he has managed to put in 14 pts in a game this year. Reece Gaines had a 14 pt game last year, and a 10 pt game this year in very limited minutes. You can't begin to tell me Barrett and Gaines have had more opportunities in their careers than Boki. I suppose you let him play big minutes long enough, he'll have that illustrious 15 pt game, but that's monkeys on typewriters.

    He's Dan Langhi. Hell, I was more excited about Langhi.

    gucci- 21 attempts is statistically irrelevant. Being a career 35% shooter, and hitting at that clip again is much less so.

    As for Boki over Bowen...as much as people complain of Bowen playing, and Boki sitting, they've played virtually identical number of minutes this year (204-201). Typically, overplaying your man would lead to at least the occasional turnover. Boki hasn't blocked a shot, and has 1 steal. His "hustle" has led to 4 offensive rebounds- Bowen has twice that.

    I just don't understand why people are pinning this team's lack of success on Nachbar not playing. People see a percentage based on a statistically insignificant sample size that is in rapid decline (ie, Nachbar hadn't hit a 3 in the 10+ days/5 games before heading to the IR). If the team is in a state where he should be starting right now, it's a sad affair (as was Ryan Bowen starting).
     
  20. pippendagimp

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    didn't gaines make like three straight 3's in the 4th quarter of the last game he played - and then he immediately went on the IR right after that......to make room for lue :confused:
     

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