Well GP has been just as good during his career as SF and KG, and J-Kid. Please don't go down the revisionist history road, Payton is a HOF. Again, these the numbers of a "mediocre" player: 14.6 ppg, 5.5 apg, 4.2 rpg, 1.8 to, 47.1% from the field, 33.3% from 3pt range, 71.4% FTs. He wasn't just a good player, the guy was a great player. And one down year doesn't change that, especially when those down numbers are still outstanding.
Thanks for the compliments, Glade to see craps coming out of someone's mouth once in a while... truly splendid.
Yes, Garry P is within top 5 ellite gards in his prime, but it is year 2004. He aint that good no more, so my mind doesnt register him as an ellite player no more. when someone starts to say GP this GP that, I got Goose bumps all over me.
So you're saying that once your career starts to decline, you lose all rights to your nicknames? I guess we can starting calling Jim Jackson "Dr. J" then.
I never said he was a Top 5 elite guard anymore I said he wasn't mediocre like he claimed, and then you tried to act like he wasn't in the class of the other players, which he is. As for you not liking the term GP, tough, deal with it. That has been his nickname for years.
My mistake, I should have said he wasn't mediocre like YOU claimed. Look at his numbers last year. 14 ppg, 5.5 apg, the year before 18 ppg, 8 apg. Playing with Shaq might have had something to do with his numbers going down. And everybody on the Lakers played horrible defense last year, including Kobe Bryant. Payton may not be elite, but he is still pretty good.
OK, maybe I am being ignorant. This is how my memories served me: I vaguely remembered people actually called him GP for a while during the early 90’s, when he was in Sonics, I think he was pretty good, I would say he was one of the Top 5, during let’s say 90-93. And then gradually I don’t really recall hearing too much about him, especially recent days. Until recently he popped up from somewhere into Lakers, so now I start to hear the name Garry Patton again, but not a whole lot of “GP” just “Garry Patton”. (Again maybe I am ignorant, and I don’t have too much time hanging on ESPN, I am sure someone still calls him GP there). OK, that is why I posted my post on the first place. Just some comments, didn’t want to stir up yall feelings to a washed up player(almost). I just don’t think that many people can relate GP to Garry Patton as the way we relate MJ, Dr.J….etc. This is a pointless discussion, let’s stop it. By the way, Kyrodis please don’t compare GP to Dr. J
OK, maybe I am being ignorant. This is how my memories served me: I vaguely remembered people actually called him GP for a while during the early 90’s, when he was in Sonics, I think he was pretty good, I would say he was one of the Top 5, during let’s say 90-93. And then gradually I don’t really recall hearing too much about him, especially recent days. Well your memory must not be all that good because people called him GP last year, including the Rockets playoffs series vs the Lakers. And the guy was an elite player up until last year. the 2002-2003 season he put up 18 and 8. Until recently he popped up from somewhere into Lakers, so now I start to hear the name Garry Patton again, but not a whole lot of “GP” just “Garry Patton”. (Again maybe I am ignorant, and I don’t have too much time hanging on ESPN, I am sure someone still calls him GP there). OK, that is why I posted my post on the first place. Just some comments, didn’t want to stir up yall feelings to a washed up player(almost). I just don’t think that many people can relate GP to Garry Patton as the way we relate MJ, Dr.J….etc. This is a pointless discussion, let’s stop it. I agree. By the way, Kyrodis please don’t compare GP to Dr. J You're the only person on this planet that thinks that Kyrodis compared Gary Payton to Dr. J, especially since that post was, sarcastically, comparing JIMMY JACKSON to Dr. J, so how you got that he was comparing Gary Payton to Dr. J I'll never know.
By the way, Kyrodis please don’t compare GP to Dr. J You're the only person on this planet that thinks that Kyrodis compared Gary Payton to Dr. J, especially since that post was, sarcastically, comparing JIMMY JACKSON to Dr. J, so how you got that he was comparing Gary Payton to Dr. J I'll never know. [/B][/QUOTE] Please pay a little more attention to what Kyrodis posted and use your brain much more if you haven’t yet. Since you haven’t got the IQ to understand any post, let me spend sometime to just get you started here: Quote from “Kyrodis” Line 1: So you're saying that once your career starts to decline, you lose all rights to your nicknames? He meant, since Dr.J is not playing balls no more (career declined of course), we should not be able to call him Dr. J now , and thus “Dr.J” is freed up for grabs. Line2: I guess we can start calling Jim Jackson "Dr. J" then. since “Dr.J” is freed up, we can start calling JJ “Dr.J”. End of analysis, a 6 year-old boy can do this in 1 minute. Now, let me assist you to understand my post, “By the way, Kyrodis please don’t compare GP to Dr. J”. Since Dr. J is much more of a super star, so when he retired, we SHOULD/WOULD/MUST call him still “Dr.J”. Patton is just a mediocre player compared to Dr. J., so when his career declines, we DO NOT want to use that nick name any more. So, Kyrodis was comparing Dr. J to Garry Patton. If these logics seems too complicated for your to comprehend, please let us know, I will try to post more straight forward comments. IQ is a funny thing, what you have is what you have, nothing to be ashamed of. You just have to let us know in advance.
I'd rather pay Payton $5 million for one year than Derek Fisher $5 million annually for four. If Fisher wants more than he's worth, I think it's silly for us not to explore a trade for Payton (or if he successfully negotiates a buyout, to sign him for the minimum). We need a good starting PG longterm for a reasonable price. Other than Fisher perhaps, I don't see any available. If we can't get such a PG this year, then we need a temporary fix. To me, Payton is clearly the best temporary fix out there. The only thing that would stop me from offering the Lakers the trade exception on the spot is the potential possibility of losing out on a good big man. I hope CD gets on the phone with Mitch K. ASAP.
I like the thought of Payton on this team.....the reason is he play excellent defense and he can do the pick and roll with Yao whereas Fisher can't. Payton can post up and allow Yao and TMac to take a break OR in some instant when plays going to Yao or TMac ain't working ...then Payton can always post up...it just add more offensive options on the team with Payton. But he can't shoot anymore and he's getting old. I still think he can contribute though. If we can't get Fisher..then i'll get Payton.
Also i believe Payton will nullify one the weakest positions on this team and especially in the WEstern conference..mainly he can shutdown opponent's PG.
Gary Paton is not very impressive in the playoffs this year. We need somebody who can handle the ball well, lead us deep into the play-off finals. I don't like getting ripped in the early round. I'd rather have fisher or snow. I don't see GP coming to Houston next year.
