What? How does the fact that the only time those players were EVER any good prove that he can't improve talent? They were losers with every other coach they ever had. They excelled for only Dunleavy. How does that make him a bad coach?
Notice that those were Manning's best years in the NBA? I will give you Harper, but Doc Rivers? The guy could barely walk when he went to the Clippers. Cliff Robinson? a leader? cmon
Yep, which proves that Brown has never coached a team without a proven veteran leader. Also, Manning has a 2nd ACL tear the year after Brown left (in addition to the one he had his rookie year) that pretty much put his career on a decline. He was still a leader (as evidence by his current coaching career). In fact, I believe he and Manning were team captains that year. A starter, the 3rd leading scorer, who has been played in two NBA finals teams in his career. How can you not call him a veteran leader?
I don't know that I would call uncle cliffy a leader either. He's definately an experienced veteran who talks a lot and can share some experiences but I'm no sure how much of a leader he is.
Imagine a 22 year coaching career with only 1 finals appearance and no championships to show for it. Would you call THAT a success, or a failure? Touche ..............
I agree that we should interview Carlisle. I think he could possibly be the best man for the job. I was only saying that I don't follow the theory that if we don't get Brown we lose.
We said we were looking for a big name coach; the successor to Rudy T could be no less...and we've come up with Mike Dunleavy, who is the definition of 'fair to middlin'...Here are a list of the career winning records of all the coaches in the NBA this year, some of whom have since been or are about to be fired, and the candidates thrown in...In Desending order: COACH Career Winning % 1) Jackson .728 2) Riley .661 3) Popovich .647 4) Sloan .627 5) Adleman .611 6) Cheeks .604 7) L. Brown .601 8) Van Gundy .590 9) Karl .587 10) Nelson .570 11) O'Brien .552 12) Saunders .543 13) Thomas .533 14) McMillan .532 15) Rivers .518 16) Scott .516 17) Dunleavy .505 18) F. Johnson .487 19) Musselman .463 20) H. Brown .447 21) Stotts .436 22) Chaney .407 23) Cartwright .343 24) D. Johnson .333 25) Smart .225 26) Bdzelek .207 Yeah...he's a big name, all right.
Actually Magic retired before the season started that 2nd yr. My only thing with Dunleavy is that when the game began to get close, no one knew who the go to player was.I remember that 2000 Blazer team rolling and whipping the Lkaers, then when La made a run, instead of posting up Smith on Kobe which had been effective, he started doing something else. If we have to settle for him, then i guess thats what it is.
What about coaching N.J., Denver, San Antonio, Clippers, Indiana and Philly? I'd say good, but not good enough.
Hmmmm. I guess you didn't take the time to read all the posts. I am not calling it either. I was merely pointing out the flaws in MacBeth's logic when he stated "Imagine a 4 year stint as the Yankees' manager, with 0 appearances in the World Series. Would you call that a success, or a failure?".
I was ignoring the discussion about the Yankees as irrelevent. Instead I focused on basketball and what other long term coaches have accomplished.
I have Brown's winning% as 879-685 (NBA record according to both NBA.com and CBSsports.com), which is a .562%. That would bump him down to #11. So I guess that would make Karl, Adelman, Van Gundy and Nelson bigger names than Brown. Van Gundy is available. Also, Scott has a similar % to Dunleavy, yet has had his team in the finals for 2 years in a row.
I remember when the Rockets named Rudy as their head coach. I thought it was the dumbest move of all time. If I remember correctly, Rudy wasn't even the number one assistant. I'm happy to say I was wrong about Rudy. Picking the right coach is a bit of a crap shoot, you never know if a coach will gel with a team. I say bring on the chicken man. The last time he was employed by the Rockets he always delivered in the clutch. Chicken for Everyone!!!!
Actually, Dunleavy has a .525% (31-28 in 10 seasons; average of 3.1-2.8) in the playoffs and Brown has a .489% (69-72 in 21 seasons; average of 3.3-3.4). Browns teams have not made the playoffs, or lost in the 1st round in 15 of his 21 seasons (71% frequency). Dunleavy teams have not made the playoffs, or lost in the 1st round in 7 of his 10 seasons (70% frequency). Brown also has about 10-15 years in age on Dunleavy. Again, all signs point to Brown being the superior coach. But its alot closer than people will admit.
I still don't understand your point as I was not saying that 22 seasons and only 1 finals appearance makes a coach a failure.
