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Stop whining about "heart"....execution is the key to success!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Nitro1118, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. Nitro1118

    Nitro1118 Member

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    I just told you before...when T-Mac jacks up pullup 3's and such, it is because he is the one bringing the ball down the floor. When he is getting the ball in isolation situations on the wing, he is taking a high % shot everytime and his efficiency shoots way up.

    Yao's TO's are counterbalanced by his overall offensive game, which is tremendous. It is funny that people complain about Yao's TO's and want him traded for Dwight yet Dwight is just as TO prone for the same reasons (and unlike Yao doesn't have the post moves, jumpshot or FT shooting ability). And the one great thing about JVG is that, while Yao did average a lot of TO's, he also got more oppertunties to pin his defender because of the plays dsigned to get him great looks in which he could go right up with it.
     
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    That's what I don't understand about this team. They won 6 out of 7 games...why did they change?

    From what I see, sometimes the Rockets look like they don't want to play...some of them more than others.

    If they don't show heart and desire to win or even play good basketball, execution won't even get started.
     
  3. northeastfan

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    All I ask is: Was it the right thing for TMac to be shooting so early in the shot clock? Couldn't he pass it off, establish position in the block and then be creative? Or let the ball swing to Yao? Doesn't that seem like a higher percentage play?

    Again, I ask, why doesn't Yao learn the basics of playing in the post. He's only played NBA basketball for 5 years. Hold the ball up. Keep it moving. Attack, don't wait and be passive. Why doesn't he do this?
     
  4. Nitro1118

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    They were playing the same way in terms of heart and whatnot...the major difference between the first 7 games and now is that Adelman has used less and less set plays, and still trying to experiment. His system is based off instinctive knowledge of the system, and 1 month of playing in it will not get the job done...until they can run it like the Kings did, more set plays and restrictions are needed.
     
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    It is the right thing when he shoots himself into a 40pt night (40pts against Kings after a 4-14 first half), and it is the wrong thing when he is cold (Raptors). He is a streak scorer, and to limit him taking low % shots he should be on the wing in an iso situation...it is Adelman's job to get him there, rather than taking the ball up the court and running PG where he has shot a low % the past few years in that role.

    And I once again bring up people demanding trading T-Mac for Kobe...Kobe takes the same dumb shots, and moreso than T-mac goes outside of the offensive gameplan to take ridiculously tough jumpshots (which he takes just as much as T-Mac). T-Mac, Kobe, Arenas, AI...all these guys are streak scorers who will explode for 40 and lead a team to a win on one night, and the next shoot 33% and possibly shoot you out of a win. To limit this fluctuation, proper coaching needs to take its course. This does not mean benching T-Mac or yelling at him, but get him in better positions to be efficient.

    He has scored 22-25 PPG the past 3 seasons, and shoots a high clip from both the field and FT line...his TO's may be a bit annoying, but the rewards of his play in the post are far greater. And limiting his TO's can also be reduced with the proper coaching and gameplan.
     
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    All I know...

    Bonzi needs to post up and not take jumpshots...he also needs to learn how to make a layup.

    Scola needs more minutes and become the first low post option when Yao is out....second post option if he and Yao are in together.

    Francis needs to shoot when he's open.

    McGrady needs to feed Yao more when Yao's dominating down low...not call for a side pick and roll.

    There are many problems on offense due to the learning curve of Coach A's offense, but these are the main ones.
     
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    I'll agree with you that when you execute well, it looks like you have heart. Still TMac leaving the team after that injury, genuine or not looked heartless to me.

    I thought we'd be a .5 team late december, but the way we have lost some of these games is ugly.
     
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    For TMac, if that is the case, he'll never be a champion. He's way too inconsistent. You live by the jumper and you die by the jumper and in the playoffs, you need to play a lot smarter and be more efficient.

    As for Yao, of course he can be an efficient scorer. But his efficiency is hampered by his careless ball handling which we both agree can be helped to some extent. As to why Yao doesn't take more care, I'll never understand.
     
  9. Zfan

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    I would question whether they have the heart to execute. It's like they don't trust their coach.
    Yao said no game plan. Tmac said poor transition. All the criticism seems like blaming RA.
     
  10. Nitro1118

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    Kobe was a champion, and he has always been as inconsistent as T-Mac. Difference is Kobe had the proper players around him to succeed, as well as a coach that knows how to deploy every one of his players.

    And once again, RA is the person to put T-Mac into iso's and run him off ball, which is when he is at his most efficient. When you run him as the PG, he is further away from basket, and has less angles to drive to the rim...naturally his efficiency plummets. To promote less bad shots by him (which is and isn't his fault), he needs to be put into the iso's or postups...that is Adelman's job.

    Yes, and his careless ballhandling is far outdone by the positive things he does. He doesn't take more care because he is 7'6'' and simply cannot put the ball on the floor, limiting his options. But, big men in general are TO prone. Dwight is up near 4 a game, and Shaq is always up around 3 a game. It is the price you pay, but it is a price worth risking for all the good things he does.
     
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    You don't need heart to execute...just proper coaching and willingness to play within the system. They are trying to play within the system, and they are not revolting...at tis time they are simply unable to excute this system as they are not experienced enough to run it off instincts. Thus, there should be more set plays being ran until this happens.
     
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    You need to have "heart" to have the willingness to play within a system. You need to have "heart" to trust and learn from a coach. If players don't believe the system from the bottom of their heart, they won't execute. Plain and simple. The way I see it, many rox players still hasn't buy into Adelman's system yet (including Yao), it's partly the player's fault and it's partly the coach's fault. IMO, a coach failed his job if he is unable to make his players believe in him.
     
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    Nitro, I agree with most of your points, but I do disagree with the TMac heat check...he does that all the time, and more often than not it seems to hurt us. He makes a couple of jumpers in a row...and then he goes for the dagger...in the 2nd quarter. If he's really got it going then fine, but not after just a couple of buckets in a row.

    I think Adelman has done a pretty good job at getting Tracy an iso on the wing. He's very efficient from this position most of the time. The problem is that his team stops moving and collectively says, "bail us out Tracy." Eventually the other team figures out that, "Hey if we double and make him give up the ball, the other guys won't do anything to hurt us." This is where the coach should help us with execution, and I believe he will.

    Northeastfan, I can't tell you how many times I scream at the TV when Yao turns it over...but the reality is that it's going to happen at least 3 times a game. Yao has to make his move quicker and be more decisive. Holding the ball high wouldn't hurt either. ;) I'm not sure why this is so hard for him to comprehend.
     
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    execution has a lot to do with heart..........
     
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    There are several things people don't seem to understand. It's amazing how fragile these early-season reputations are EVERY season to the passing observer. Take a closer look, people. We are 1/4 of the way through the season. If we had just won two more games up to this point (and there were many more than that which were basically just a bad flip of a coin for us) we would be 13-9, the same or similar record as many of these o-so-untouchable WC "powerhouses", and nobody would be saying ****. This, too, when the following valid points have to be considered (all true as of last night):

    1.) We still have the highest overall opponent winning percentage of any team in the league (highest S.O.S.).

    2.) We have played as many or more total games than any team in the league.

    3.) We have played more road games than any team in the league. We are not even tied in this category. Nobody has played as many road games as us. (14 road, 8 home)

    4.) We have SEVERAL new major rotation players, and have lost one major one.

    5.) We have a completely new coach.


    All things considered, 11-11 doesn't seem half damn bad to me.

    ... With all that said, I still believe the Rockets lacked both some heart (defense) and execution (offense) recently, and it has been upsetting to see.
     
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    LMAO...give me a freaking break...Kobe comes with his game face every night...and has the attitude of wanting to be the "best" on the floor......and he's not afraid to take it into the paint...I'm so sick of hearing the "he doesn't have the right pieces" around him speech...seriously this team HAS been talented enough to at least get past the 1st round, but Tmac's lack of manhood has kept us down...everything has changed since tmac has come here...coaches, players, even the freaking cheerleaders....the common denominator in all of these situations is Tracy...he is the real problem here and that is why he needs to pack his bags and move back to "candy land"......I'm sick of the execuses...let's be real here.............
     
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    and just to let everyone know more often than not EVERY team will have it's weaknesses.


    The bulls never had a center, but you never heard Jordan complaining about the lack of talent down low

    Hakeem took a team of role players to a title.....the next year he didn't have a "true" PF next to him...he still was able to overcome the likes of Malone, Stockton, Barkley,Robinson, Rodman, Shaq, Penny, K.J. etc......

    it comes down to being as strong as your leaders...and unfortunately we have a pansy for our leader.........
     
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    hmmm *cough* the series against the Jazz.
     
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    Kobe comes with his game face, but it often translates into him getting frustrated and taking 35+ shots, silly frustraton fouls on defense, and selfishness to go outside of the offensive confines and make it a 1 on 5 show.

    Kobe takes it into the paint 4% more per game than T-Mac...that is about 1 more time per game than T-Mac. Because of this, Kobe has just as many poor shooting games and incosnsitent play as T-Mac. Want a heat check? Wait for Kobe to pullup from 30ft out.

    You say everything has changed, but was everything so great to begin with? The team was not near an elite one with Francis as leader, they made the playoffs only once in about 5 or 6 seasons with Francis leading the way, etc... Rockets have had their 2 best seasons since the Hakeem days with T-Mac/Yao running the show, and last year had it not been for a few dagger 3's the Rockets would have likely made the WCF with Head/Battier/Alston/Deke/Hayes as the only role players to T-Mac/Yao.


    I was referring to the execution not being a problem last year, not heart (and had the role player hit their shots in the playoffs and not shot such a terrible %, they would have easily defeated the Jazz..the team was not hitting open shots, both in the clutch and when the pressure was off).
     
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    You don't need heart for all of that...just take a look at the Suns. they have some of the most heartless players in the league (Diaw), yet they execute arguably better than any other team. Heart may be the thing to put this team over the top, but they aren't getting anywhere without great offensive and defensive execution. It is all about confidence in the system, and it is rarely the player's fault if they cannot work within the system. Tjis team is a special case because it is all based on instincts and not ins et plays, which is why the team often look so sloppy. Not to mention that is polar opposite of last year where everythign was so structured and they had an identity nailed into their head from day 1.
     

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