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stop trying to force feed yao in the fourth

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thacabbage, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. scalper

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    seriuosly this is the wrong game to post on... your acting as if... they tried to pass Yao the ball and he turned it over on every play for 6 minutes...

    they did exactly the opposite... and went away from him...

    got lazy and shot 3's instead of high % 3's now

    if your talking trade Yao because the Fronting takes him out of the game... thus making it 4 on 5 then fine....
     
  2. rocketgenius

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    lol
    that woudl be funny
     
  3. rocketgenius

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    its all about matchups
    if a coach sees a matchup he does not like, why go to it
    yao has always had problem w/ the fronting D, so coach didn't like our chances. simple as that
    if eddy curry was guarding yao, then yea, keep going to him and let yao destory his butt
    common sense
     
  4. choujie

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    Again, there were many times Rox beating froting defense with Tmac and Rafer under Aldleman. Yao used to be bad against teams like Phx and GS etc, but since mid season last year, the team's getting a lot better to beat that, until Tmac is down and Rafer is traded.

    So don't tell my it's all because of Yao. Even in JVG's era, Yao didn't go 6 minutes without touch against fronting + triple team without the ball.

    It is not the first time Miller tried to front Yao, and this is about the only time he succeeded.

    But you just tried to to blame all this all on Yao, even saying crap like you'd rather have Artest and AB having the ball in closing minutes than Yao. Now you get what you wished for: 1 FG in 13 minuts combined in 2 critical 4th quarter battles.
     
  5. rocketgenius

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    like i said to the other poster, force feeding yao won't work, its too predicatble and slow ball movement, and you know how that hurts the team while tmac was still playing
    the odds are against yao in beating fronting defense, he's just not quick enough. and that is a correct observation
    i'm not blaming all this on yao, he plays great for 3 quarter. its just that he cannot and should not be counted on in the 4th
    now that we don't have a healthy tmac, i rather ron or aaron be our closer. atleast the offence won't be stagnent
     
  6. choujie

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    Like I said , force feeding Yao may or may not work on a certain day , but overall it's much BETTER than ignoring him all together. 8 points in 6 minutes vs. 3 points in 6 minutes could very well be the differenc between a win and a loss.

    Every opponent is praying Rockets to go away from Yao, that's why they'd rather risk giving up offensive rebounds to front him.

    If you'd rather Ab and Artest be closer, there will be more games you see this happening. Open look for anybody is better than them holding the ball.
     
  7. Yao4REAL

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    I also think another reason Yao isn't being aggressive is because the damm refs keep calling foul on him when he's start bumping is man hard....
     
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    you're either a ______ (fill in with dirty words :D ) or just high.
     
  9. Sooner423

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    Haha, my thoughts exactly.
     
  10. rocketgenius

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    i didn't see them ignoring Yao when Eddy Curry was guarding him
    i didn't see them ignoring him when Javale McGee was guarding him
    its all about match up man. and he did not match up well in the 4th against a Brad Miller defense of bodying, fronting him. so Aaron Brooks won you a big game a couple nights ago and Ron Artest had it going all night, why wouldn't you go to them?
     
  11. choujie

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    Eddy Curry never guards anybody. What I mean by ignoring is not passing to Yao against fronting defense because the fear of TOs.

    Match up? Brad Miller tried to guard Yao so many times before and Yao destroyed him. So you don't have an argument here.

    Aaron Brooks won us a big game a couple nights ago? You must be dreaming, he played so poor in 1st half. The games was won by Yao, who shot 13/15 from field and defend the post extremely well, by Artest and Battier, who played rock solid D on Lebron.

    Posts like this make you look silly.
     
  12. crimmy88

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    By big game.. I think he probably meant that Mavs game. >_>;; at least thats the game i thought of first when I read his post.
     
  13. choujie

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    Well, that was more than a week ago and Scola was the man in that game. One good game every week doesn't warrant closer status.
     
  14. rocketgenius

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    choujie
    this will be my last time addressing your post
    yao is the problem here. its not his teammates fault.. yao is too weak and slow against fronting, physical defense like tonight. he is not able to catch the ball not matter how good of a pass he gets.. i don't care if you are steve nash or chris paul, if you make that pass to yao it'll be a turnover thus hurts your team's chance of winning
    you idol just needs to man up and play better D, grad more rebounds down the strech. offensively, don't hold too much hope
    that's that
     
  15. crimmy88

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    AB has closed many games this season. Hes our closer. What the Rick is doing is building up AB's confidence for our future.

    Hes trying to build up our future and at the same time stay semi-competitive ala Joe Dumars' move early in the season with Detroit. Lets just hope that it doesnt end the same way..
     
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    If they had tried and resulted in couple of turn overs, then yeah it's not their fault.

    If they had had better solution than going 3-23 in closing minutes, then yeah it's not their fault.

    If Bull had started to front Yao from 1st quarter, what's your suggestion? If every team does that, what then?
     
  17. choujie

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    The reality is: Rockets lost some games by going to Yao in the end, also won some games by going to him. Rockets lost more games by not going to Yao.

    After Tmac is no longer healthy, until someone can consistently close the game(nobody on current Rockets team can), the best choice for Rox is still going to Yao. Yao doesn't need to score evey time, the open looks created by his touches will do the same job. Even though there will be TOs time after time, its' still much better than jacking up 3s with a man in his face.

    If I were you, I'd stop posting long time ago, because you don't have an argument by blaming this ALL ON Yao, just stupid statements after stupid statements. Compare AB with Nash and Chris Paul in this situation is just another example.

    Even Battier pointed out after the game that when Yao got position, he didn't recieved the ball. Even Artest said they need to find a way to beat fronting.
     
  18. bulk

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    From Feigen:

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    There are solutions to the fronting defenses. The Rockets see so many of them, their eyes should light up when teams try it, knowing just what to do and how to attack.

    Most teams send their other big men to cover for a lob over the defense, taking that option away. But that should make it easy for Luis Scola, the Rockets' most accurate jump shooter, to free himself for mid-range shots that he hits all night. And when he moves freely, with his man helping on Yao, he can also get in position, often at the free throw line to set up Yao inside.

    Better still, if a team cannot devote two big men to Yao, the best option is for Yao to seal his man on his back and move quickly to the weak side as the ball moves with him. Get that right and he is putting in layups, dunks and short jump hooks.

    A little Scola-Brooks pick-and-roll can send Brooks flying toward the lane, where big men are out of position from the time spent on Yao. If Brooks gets a screen, there is no way a team can keep two bigs on Yao. One has to come up to help. That should free Yao posting up inside or make him a force on the boards, as with the game-clincher against Kevin Garnett's fronting defense in Boston.

    It also gives Brooks a chance to set up Yao, or if help must come from the wing, and it will, to pass to guards open outside. The Rockets do hit a high percentage of catch-and-shoot 3s. It's those-off-the-dribble, going-sideways things that kill them.

    There were, of course, other short-comings that led to the worst collapse in franchise history. But having seen so many fronting defenses do so much damage, and with Yao so important these days, taking care of that issue seems to have jumped toward the top of the list.
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    Yeah, turn away from Yao when he's fronted. What a genius idea. But apprarently Feigen and Battier and Ron don't see the same. Maybe some people here are smarter than them?
     
  19. choujie

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    What do you expect from a self-claimed "genius"?
     
  20. Jonhty

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    i wish we could swap yao for shaq when other teams front and swap back yao when they don't.
     

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