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Stop blaming kubiak

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Air Langhi, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. ima_drummer2k

    ima_drummer2k Member

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    Yet....let's revisit this statement in another month, shall we?

    I'm not as down on Schaub as a lot of fans are. The guy had a magical year (stat-wise) last year. He set the bar pretty high. So while he hasn't played as well as he did last year, not many other QB's have either. Instead of saying he's having a bad year this year, you could argue that he just came back down to earth a little bit.
     
  2. desihooper

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    I'd bet the passing game kicks up a gear with the replacement of Jacoby with Kevin Walter and David Anderson (less explosive from a big play perspective, but will move the chains more is my guess) and the continued improvement of Dresseen and Casey.

    If we can just find a way to keep Casey and Foster form slipping so much....
     
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  3. emjohn

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    I like Schaub, the last thing I want is to see him miss games or be replaced.

    But he's been noticeably off this year. Not just compared to last year, but the year prior as well.

    From week 4 of 2008 through last year, he had 5 games with a rating below 80. He's already had 5 sub-80 rating games in only 9 games this year. Last year he had 8 games with a rating over 100. This year, he hasn't had two such games in the same month.

    I don't know what's going on with him, I don't know yet if I buy the running game/rhythm theory, but his bad games are out-numbering his good ones. Easily. He's throwing some really bad balls, making some really bad decisions. We would have won an extra game or two if he had been playing better in some of the losses.
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    Eh... not sure I buy into that. Maybe the Cowboy game (I've blanked most of it from memory), possibly the second Colt game (though that one was really on Kubiak. And yeah, probably SD (though he was efficient in that game). But the flipside is that we would have lost several games without him (notably WAS and KC).

    He's on pace to throw fewer INTs and complete a mere 22 fewer passes. Sure, his TDs are down - but Foster has 10 TDs; the RBs combined had 13 last year (and 3 of those were scored by Foster in the final two weeks). I'm among those who would have said he's not played well (and hasn't played *as well* as last year) - but he's the 7th-ranked QB in football.
     
  5. Hey Now!

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    Sorry, ETA:

    And had other players (Johnson and Dreesen, specifically) or the officials (the Foster non-TD against SD) done their jobs, the Texans might have two additional wins we could hang on Schaub and we'd probably all feel better about his season.

    (Note: I'm not trying to argue the Texans should really be 6-3 or any such nonsense.)
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Truly, they should be.

    6-3, hell, even 7-2 if Kubiak knew how talented his OL and Arian was at the run.

    That is what kills me about Kubiak and why I think it's time for him to go.

    This squad is so much more talented than 3-4 years ago, but the results continue to be the same... mediocre, despite an enormous increase in talent.

    Thanks for pulling us out of the gutter, Kubes, but it's time to go our separate ways. Have fun coordinating an offense somewhere next year.
     
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  7. Coach AI

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    Yep yep. Agreed, that's why I -

    Hey, wait a second. What's this not gary kubiak thing? Is that yours Donny?
     
  8. thegary

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    i'm not some stat guy that's gonna sit around and explain/deny obvious ineptitude. i've been calling for pubiak's head for years, AMIRITE?
     
  9. Buck Turgidson

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    To answer the thread title....

    No, I will not.

    I have never in my life seen an NFL head coach mishandle game management like Kubiak does, pretty much every single freaking week.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    and the beat goes one

    Rocket River
     
  11. Naija Texan

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    It is Kubiak's fault though.

    Kubiak and General Manager Smith make the personnel decisions. And based off previous draft choices, we all know Smith listens explicitly to what his coaches want in a player.

    Our defenses main failing has been the secondary. We brought in David Gibbs because of Kubiak's connection. While I doubt Gibbs explicitly said they should go into this season with just second year players or rookies (3rd year Molden doesn't count as he is more a special teams player then actual member of the secondary), no doubt Kubiak and Smith both went with that because they saw how good Quin and McCain were last year and thought they could replicate it, without the experience of Dunta or even Reeves.


    Not to mention the idiocy that was placing Cushing in the MLB position for two games that started that horrible skid we were on, right after we got him back from suspension. Basically, Kubiak unknowingly but surely has lead to a number of the failings this team has had and while I like Kubiak and think he is a very good coach, he (or Smith) deserves to be fired and should be because he won't change otherwise.
     
  12. david_rocket

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    Im still mad because Kubiak didnt run the ball with Arian Foster in the 2nd game against the Colts!!! :mad:
     
  13. Smokey

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    Nice call.
     
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    How about the game against Denver? First two carries for Foster in the 2nd half netted 20something yards.




    Foster goes on to carry the ball THREE more times after that for a total of FIVE second half carries.

    A half that we came into with a 17-0 lead. Awesome.
     
  15. ima_drummer2k

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    Thanks, but I wasn't exactly going out on a limb. We were on a 3-game losing streak when I said it and this year's schedule didn't exactly lend itself to ending the season on a 4-game winning streak like last year.

    I could see this collapse coming all the way back in early November. Frankly, I'm surprised we managed to sneak a win in against the titans (and their 3rd string QB...) to keep this from being a 9-game losing streak.

    But Kubiak is an offensive genius, so we shouldn't fire him.
     
  16. desihooper

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    IFF Kubiak is to return, he's got to give up playcalling duties and focus on managing the game on the offensive side, and then totally cut ties with the defensive staff and bring in an experienced DC and let them run the defense.

    Otherwise, sorry, Gary. You're a good, decent man, and I know you wanted it to work here, but you're not doing the job we brought you into do.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    It’s just inconceivable to me that there is even an “if” involved here. Are the Texans really going retain a head coach – in any capacity – who ends his 5th non-playoff season on a 1-9 streak? Has any team in the history of the NFL done this?

    The Cowboys fired their coach for starting the season 1-7.

    The 49ers fired their coach for starting the season 5-10.

    The Broncos fired their coach for starting the season 3-9.

    These coaches were fired because they were expected to win games and they didn’t. There was no talk about just replacing the coordinators. There was no talk about staying pat because of the pending lockout. There was no talk about keeping Wade or Singletary around as a DC or McDaniels around as an OC. There was no talk about how the next coach they hire might not be any better. Why not? Because the expectation for these teams is to WIN GAMES. Period. Nothing else matters. If you don’t win games, you’re out.

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all 3 of these teams have won multiple Superbowls....

    Kubiak is now 36-43 as head coach for the Texans. 0-5 on playoff seasons. How will the Texans proceed? The fans are watching and waiting...........
     
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  18. J.R.

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    Tell me how you really feel. :p Great post.
     
  19. Smokey

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    Only Tom Landry lasted more than 5 seasons without a playoff appearance and Gary Kubiak is no Tom Landry. Times have changed.
     
  20. desihooper

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    I'm not saying don't make any changes. I'm at the end of my rope with this staff and this organization as well. But we need to be careful in throwing out exemplars like the Cowboys, Niners, and Broncos and using the blanket "multiple Super Bowl winner" label as a justification for running this organization in a similar manner. Why? Because its been 10+ years since those teams have won a Super Bowl, and they've gone through many coaches in that timeframe:

    Dallas - 1995 (15 years ago)
    Coaches - Switzer, Gailey, Campo, Parcells, Phillips, Garrett, TBD
    Playoff years - 7

    San Francisco - 1994 (16 years ago)
    Coaches - Seifert, Mariucci, Erickson, Nolan, Singletary, TBD
    Playoff years - 6 (none since Mariucci was fired in 2002)

    Denver - 1998 (12 years ago)
    Coaches - Shanahan, McDaniels, Studesville, TBD
    Playoff years - 4 (none since 2005)

    So I guess the magic formula is fire Kubiak, hire a new coach, and then we're on our way to 3 appearances in the playoffs because that's how the math works out (Capers, Kubiak, TBD).

    I get the frustration, but if this team, and this owner ever starts acting like Jerry Jones, Lord help us all. Kubiak is probably gone for all intents and purposes, but I don't get the need to kick him on his way out. It's not like he didn't pour everything he had into the organization. It just didn't work out. Sometimes those are the breaks.
     

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