Dont just focus on one part of a religion and deem it a "cancer". If you think you can make such bold comments, then please spend time studying the religion first, then try to make a comment on it.
This is ultimate proof that both the practioners and the religion of Islam in of itself are not peaceful. There may be some exceptions (like Hakeem) but these people are in in no way a "religion of peace." http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=448384 Execute me, pleads Muslim who killed his daughter over her Western lifestyle By Terri Judd 30 September 2003 A strict Muslim who slit his daughter's throat because he believed she had become too Westernised pleaded with a judge yesterday to sentence him to death. When Abdalla Yones learnt that his 16-year-old child, Heshu, had begun seeing a Christian teenager he stabbed her 11 times. After breaking down the door of the bathroom where she had barricaded herself in, he slit her throat leaving her to bleed to death. Yesterday, as the 48-year-old Kurd was sentenced to life after becoming the first person in Britain to admit an "honour killing", the policeman at the head of the investigation, Commander Andy Baker, warned anyone who carried out a similar murder - whatever religion they were - would suffer the severest penalties. With an estimated 12 such deaths in Britain last year, Scotland Yard vowed to seek out those who collude in covering up for the killers. Police are considering such prosecutions in Heshu's case. "We will not tolerate it, neither should any community," Mr Baker said. Revealing pictures of the "bright, vibrant" teenager who was killed, Mr Baker added: "The haunting video images of Heshu Yones put a face to a crime that has, for too long, been shrouded and obscured by fear of cultural reprimand." Sawsan Salim, co-ordinator of the Kurdistan Refugees Women's Organisation, insisted yesterday that the community condemned such killings. "No excuse should be given for such a brutal tragedy," he said. Yones, the Old Bailey heard, had fled the brutality of Saddam Hussein's regime 10 years ago, bringing his young family to Britain. While they adapted easily to life in Europe he felt like a "fish out of water". Heshu, the "jewel" in her father's crown, had enraged him with her increasingly Western ways and endured "very significant physical abuse" from him. Having fallen for Samnizam Elkhouri, a Lebanese-born 18-year-old, she decided to run away with him. But her secret was revealed when Yones received a letter, written in Kurdish, describing his daughter as a slut. On 12 October last year, he "hacked his daughter to death", before cutting his own throat and jumping from a third floor balcony of their home in Acton, west London. Police officers found him injured but alive and went into the flat to discover Heshu's body. A bent and broken kitchen knife still protruding from her neck bore testament to the savagery of the attack. Yones's barrister, Icah Peart, QC, told Judge Neil Denison: "He has asked me to ask you to pass a sentence of execution. I have made it clear that your Lordship does not have that power." Describing the case as a "tragic story arising out of irreconcilable cultural differences", the judge told Yones: "It is plain you strongly and genuinely disapproved of the lifestyle in this country of your daughter and the fact that it was affecting her school work. But, having said that, the killing and the manner of it was, as you have recognised, an appalling act. That is why immediately after and then again last month, you tried to take your own life. I accept it is still your intention. "But there is only one sentence that the law allows me to pass where the crime is murder and that is the sentence I do pass - life." John McGuinness, QC, for the prosecution, said Heshu was a "bubbly, cheeky, fun-loving" girl who was popular with school friends. She asked friends to lie for her so she could enjoy herself while evading her father's strict gaze. She lived a double life, secretly putting on make-up only after she left home. Having started a relationship with a fellow pupil at William Morris Academy in Fulham, she began to play truant on a regular basis to spend time with him. "There was tension at home particularly with her father. He was not happy with her lifestyle and wanted her to live within the Muslim religion and cultural traditions," explained Mr McGuinness. During a family holiday to Kurdistan last year, Heshu became worried her father might try and arrange a marriage for her - and she felt trapped. "It was while there that the defendant might have discovered that his daughter had a boyfriend and that she was not a virgin," said Mr McGuinness. Yones pulled a gun on his daughter and threatened to kill her. On their return to Britain, Heshu started to make plans to run away and wrote to her father, saying: "Bye Dad, sorry I was so much trouble. Me and you will probably never understand each other, but I'm sorry I wasn't what you wanted, but there's some things you can't change." She ended the letter by saying: "Hey, for an older man you have a good strong punch and kick. I hope you enjoyed testing your strength on me, it was fun being on the receiving end. Well done." When Yones received the letter, he brooded over the contents and decided to talk to her about it on the day of the murder. A row broke out which culminated in the attack. Yones, who spent months in hospital afterwards, but made a full recovery, first claimed Heshu had been killed by an al-Qa'ida gang before admitting the killing last week. Yones's barrister said his client had endured the brutality of Saddam's regime and become involved in the struggle for independence, just like his father before him. Eventually, he fled with his wife, daughter and two sons to the UK where he was granted indefinite leave to remain. Mr Baker said after the case: "Let this conviction be a message, loud and clear, to those who misrepresent their own communities and condone or stay silent over the treatment of women in their midst. "'Honour killing' is murder and the police and the justice system will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you are found to be guilty of, or an accomplice to, such so-called 'crimes of honour'." MURDER IN THE NAME OF TRADITION Rukhsana Naz, 19, was strangled by her brother Shazad as her mother held her legs down. The 19-year-old from Derby had become pregnant by her sweetheart. But she was already married to another man, in Pakistan, and had two children by him. In May, 1999, her mother and brother were sentenced to life at Nottingham Crown Court. In February last year, Faqir Mohammed was jailed for life for stabbing his daughter, Shahida, 24, to death. He had returned to their Manchester home and found her fully clothed on her bed with a boyfriend. He tried to kill him but Shahida stood in his way. Mohammed said it was his right to kill a man who was in his daughter's bedroom. Surjit Kaur Athwal, 26, of Hayes, west London, disappeared on a trip to India in 1998 after she began divorce proceedings. Her family believes she was the victim of an honour killing, a theory supported by police. Her husband was arrested but denied any involvement. Three other relatives were held, then released without charge. In January this year, Sahda Bibi, 21, was stabbed to death on the day of her wedding in Birmingham, after refusing to enter an arranged marriage with another man. West Midlands Police have charged a 25-year-old man with her murder and are still hunting Ms Bibi's cousin, who is believed to have fled to Pakistan.
This is ultimate proof that both the practioners and the religion of Christianity in of itself are not peaceful. There may be some exceptions but these people are in in no way a "religion of peace." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3101919,00.html Abortion Doctor's Killer Expects 'Reward' Wednesday September 3, 2003 11:19 AM By RON WORD Associated Press Writer STARKE, Fla. (AP) - Paul Hill, a former minister who gunned down an abortion doctor, said he feels no remorse and suggested the state will be making him a martyr when he becomes the first person executed in the United States for anti-abortion violence. Barring an unlikely last-minute stay, the 49-year-old former Presbyterian minister will be put to death by lethal injection Wednesday evening for the 1994 murders in Pensacola of Dr. John Britton and his escort, retired Air Force Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett. Barrett's wife, June, was wounded in the shootings outside the Ladies Center in Pensacola. Hill has not appealed. ``The sooner I am executed ... the sooner I am going to heaven,'' Hill said in a jailhouse interview. ``I expect a great reward in heaven. I am looking forward to glory. I don't feel remorse.'' ``More people should act as I have acted,'' Hill added. Abortion-rights groups worry that Hill's execution will trigger reprisals by those who share his steadfast belief that violence to stop abortion is justified. Several Florida officials connected to the case received threatening letters last week, accompanied by rifle bullets. Gov. Jeb Bush, who was named in one of those threatening letters, said Tuesday the threats would not keep him from carrying out the law. ``I'm not going to be bullied,'' Bush said. Bush also said: ``I'm not going to change the deeply held views that I have on (the death penalty) because others have deeply held views that disagree. ``I totally respect them. And they should respect what the rule of law is here in our state.'' Death penalty opponents have also pointed to the prospect of violence as a reason to stop this execution in particular. ``We're very concerned that Paul Hill's call for violence may be picked up by any person to whom God speaks,'' said Abe Bonowitz, the head of Floridians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty. ``That could be prevented. It should be.'' Hill, a father of three, has supporters who have maintained a Web site in his honor, with snapshots and ballads, but most major anti-abortion groups have repudiated him. Some of his backers liken him to John Brown, the abolitionist hanged for his crimes. One militant anti-abortion group, Missionaries to the Unborn, likens Hill to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the Lutheran pastor from Germany who was executed after joining the plot to assassinate Hitler. ``Paul Hill is being martyred tomorrow, and that's wrong,'' said Bonowitz. It's pretty easy to hand-pick the extreme cases. .
Those people are not true practioners of true Christianity. Now the Muslims I mentioned, they did nothing wrong according to their traditions, which specify an "honor killing" of a sister or a daughter if she has been raped! These people are savages.
@dakota y didn’t u answer this q ? about the sex thing , how about that ? a rapes who was left by his mum and dad , rapes and pains ( so much ) ur daughter/love/mum/sis and then kill her 2 hide the trace , will it b ok 4 u ? will u blame me by not agreeing with these parents ? or me whos agreeing with the safety of this whole world ( of course not the bad 1’s ) by AGREEING WITH GOD BY NOT HAVING SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE ? (Especially when you have the David Koresh, Jim Jones , Osama Bin Laden, Ayatollah Kohmahnies...spawned using religion as a way to get their power.) I dunno david and jim ayatuollah alkhumaini DIDN’T use the religion 4 power , do u even no how his home was ? did u c his home and the way he lived ? I don’t think so , cuz he ( AS WE ALL NO ) was the president of iran , but wot ya’ll DIDN’T NO that his HOME was SMALL he DIDN’T have a BIG 1 . YES .. the damn – us govt agent -bin laden DID use the religion 4 power , I HATE him . @dakota- swtsig (The Koran was written by MAN to control MAN...as was the Bible, and every other religious book out there. ) r u a non-believer ? IF u r a NON-BELIEVER , lemi ask u these , and plz answer them , WHO ORGANIZED THIS PROCESS ? THERE MUST BE SOME1 HAS DONE THAT , IF THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY OF THE CREATION OF LIFE SO THE CONCEPT OF A ROULER OF THIS WORLD IS CHASING U WHATEVER U GO . IF U WERE WALKIN IN THE DESERT AND U SAW A HOME , U WILL THINK THAT IT WAS BUILT BY SUM1 OR IT WAS BUILT BY ITS OWN ? IF U STAYED I A PARTICULAR PLACE 4 1000000 YRS 2 B A HOME , WILL IT B A HOME WITHOUT A MANS WORK ? DO REALLY BELIEVE THAT MEN WERE MONKIES ? HOW CAN U B SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT MONKIES OR MAYBE THEY WERE MONKIES NIPPLES B4 THEY BECAME MONKIES ? Till u answer these we will no who/wot is the joke ? u ? or the pple who believe of god ? or islam ? @nachbarsucks ( The Koran(sp?) may deal very harshly with criminals and I do not agree with many things that is specifies ) u said it urself .. ( criminals ) , and the best way 2 deal with them is , being harsh , so that they don’t hurt and harm good pple . (it obviously deters crime as the crime rate in the middle east is miniscule compared to our own ) I didn’t get that can u plz tell me its meaning ? @meogi (What if you steal something with your foot? sunni muslims have 3 sources , but we shia ( im shia ) has 4 sources The shia sources 2 take the teachings from : 1st: the holy quran 2nd : the prophet Mohamed 3rd : the prophet’s folks and the ( imam’s ) who r the prophet’s ( califs – perhaps that’s the word ) 4th : the religious pple ( 4 the new things ) so if u wanna say n e thing 2 debate me with , it shud b sumthin shia believe in . so … 1 of the ( imam’s ) said : IF THE STEALER STOLE , HIS HAND SHOULD BE CUT . so wot does that tell ya ? it tells that if u *STEAL* , but he DIDN’T SAY ( WITH HAND ) , so it means if u steal WHETHER WITH LEG OR HAND .ur hand shud b cut @panda (To ban sex outside of marriage under the excuse of protecting common interests is hypocrtic and unfair. Examples, how about the Muslims not driving a car so no one would get hurt or pollute the environment? Don’t drive so fast , and whenever the cars become *chemicals* then the religious pple will say its 4bidden , and cars r necessary these days u cant live without em we have lotsa things that prevent us from getting hurt by cars smoke ( I dunno wot they r called in English ) ( how about the Muslims don't watch any movies or ride roller coasters because you are consuming energy that can be used to draw water for people that don't even have drinking water? ) even though I didn’t understand the words ( roller coasters ) and ( consuming ) and ( draw ) , but ISLAM ORDERED PPLE 2 HELP EACHOTHER WHETHER THEY WERE MUSLIMS OR NOT , SO EVRY1 SHUD HELP THESE PPLE UR TALKIN ABOUT AND GIVE THEM WATER . ( how about the Muslims don't smoke so nobody gets second hand smoke? ) some of the religious pple said its 4bidden , some of them said if its a major harm its 4bidden . (The sex as beast type of thinking look at only one side of sex, decides sex outside marriage brings sex abuse, sex abuse brings crimes, and therefore it should be outlawed. This is true to some extent. However, it's going extreme as sex ignorance brings harm as well as sex abuse. ) plz , can y tell me the meaning of ( beast ) and ( therefore it shud b outlawed ) ( extent ) ? (Sexual satisfaction is an important part of family life. People who are ignorant of their partner's sexual desire and capability might find themselves unsatisfied in marriage. As a result, they seek for sex partners outside a marriage ) can u explain this plz , cuz as u no its not good ? (there is women that has to cover their face all their lives, being punished if they unveil their face to strangers ) talk 2 sunni about this not me ( or n e shia ) cuz we shia don’t have such a rule , i don’t cover my face in front of strangers , and I don’t get punish 4 that either , I also feel sorry 4 sunni girls who r punished 4 that , and WE SHIA believe that ITS NOT 4BIDDIN 4 STRANGERS 2 C FEMALES FACES ITS OK AND ORDINARY and many women not experiencing orgasms in their whole life for their sexual ignorance, and many women being stoned for slight offense such as outside marriage sex, and many innocent women being stoned for wrong,unfounded, made up accusations of being "lusty” I dunno the meaning of lusty so plz tell me 2 reply , and about experiencing orgasms , we SHIA have a marriage called *fantasy marriage* which is different than the marriage we all no about , these r the rules of this marriage : 1- the male SHUD pay the female HOWEVER SHE WANTS . 2- he SHUD pay her whether he liked it or not 3- 1 of them SHUD take care of the child or if they wanted that they can both do it . they shud NOT get rid of him/her , its 4BIDDEN but the problem is that , ALL the Islamic countries r sunni , EXCEPT IRAN , where u can marry that marriage , u can do that in bahrain even though their govt is sunni , they allow that , but @ 4 my country , I dunno if the law allows this marriage or not . (With your gain here comes your loss, like the freedom pursuing western countries, while they too face the cost of their freedom, such as the overflood of guns. Aside from basic freedoms such as the freedom of physical movement, freedom is a subjective thing , and human lives shouldn't be involved in subjective judgement ) wot is the meaning of subjective ? (The question is not whether we want to harm or save people, it's how do we know that we saved more people than we harmed?) look at the average of crimes in Kuwait its way lower than u.s and u will no (BTW, how come the man who had sex with the woman wasn't stoned? ) ISLAM’S RULE IS 2 STONE BOTH OF THEM , I dunno wot the judge exactly did @mleahy (It's no surprise to see these countries so far behind the rest of the world ) and its NO surprise how BAD IS ur MENTAL LEVEL by thinking that way , didn’t u no that the 1 who made ( algebra ) was an Arabic and a muslim man named Mohamed alkhwarizmi , didn’t u no that the 1 who discovered the small blood ( circulation – circle – I dunno the name in English ) was an Arabic and muslim man named ibn ilnifees , didn’t u no ( alfarabi ) was named ( the 2nd teacher ) after ( ( arustu ) the philosopher I dunno his name in English , its that way in Arabic .. ooh mleahy I feel sorry 4 ur the size of ur mind ( Good luck with the stoning and keep wearing the burqa in the Summer. ) we shia DON’T GET STONED cuz we have the fantasy marriage and me and the rest of shia girls DON’T wera the burqa only the bedu and sunni , so don’t talk 2 me about wearing a burqa in summer , talk them if u want 2 . @ROXTXIA I didn’t get n e of wot u said , can u plz tell me ? @omair (please spend time studying the religion first, then try to make a comment on it. ) yup that’s RIGHT . @bama (Now the Muslims I mentioned, they did nothing wrong according to their traditions, which specify an "honor killing" of a sister or a daughter if she has been raped! These people are savages. ) islam condemns such things , he shud b killed 4 that , and hey who told u in our traditions its ok 2 do that , ITS NOT OK , with some NOT EDUCATED PPLE ITS OK , BUT NOT ISLAM , SO DON’T THROW IT ON ISLAM , ISLAM HAS NOTHING 2 DO WITH THESE SAVAGE PPLE , ITS TRUE THAT THEY R MUSLIMS BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT ITS BECAUSE OF ISLAM
Does anyone understand what this person is writing about? I don't know how to decode the writing style of a 12 year old. The grammer and text is unreadable, much less comprehensible.
Instead of looking at hardliner "strict" muslims, try tooking at more moderate and mainstream muslims. every religion will have cases simmilar to this in the same sense that it was shocking. And like in my last post, try reasearching a little bit about areligion before making such a bold claim, cause if it were really a religion of violence as u say, it would have died out a long time ago. So before u try to refute, do ur self a favor and start reading about all of the religions.
r u a non-believer ? IF u r a NON-BELIEVER , Let me ask u these , and plz answer them , WHO ORGANIZED THIS PROCESS ? THERE MUST BE SOME1 HAS DONE THAT , IF THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY OF THE CREATION OF LIFE SO THE CONCEPT OF A ROULER OF THIS WORLD IS CHASING U WHATEVER U GO . IF U WERE WALKIN IN THE DESERT AND U SAW A HOME , U WILL THINK THAT IT WAS BUILT BY SOMEONE OR IT WAS BUILT BY ITS OWN ? IF U STAYED I A PARTICULAR PLACE 4 1000000 YRS 2 B A HOME , WILL IT B A HOME WITHOUT A MANS WORK ? DO REALLY BELIEVE THAT MEN WERE MONKIES ? HOW CAN U B SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT MONKIES OR MAYBE THEY WERE MONKIES NIPPLES B4 THEY BECAME MONKIES ? Till u answer these we will no who/what is the joke ? u ? or the pple who believe of god ? or islam ?
we ( shia – the of muslims I belong 2 ) DON’T GET STONED cuz we have the ( fantasy marriage ) and me and the rest of ( shia ) girls DON’T wear the ( burqa ) only the( bedu – group of arabs ) and ( sunni – group of muslims ) , so don’t talk 2 me about wearing a burqa in summer , talk them if u want 2 .
and its NO surprise how BAD IS ur MENTAL LEVEL by thinking that way , didn’t u know that the 1 who made ( algebra ) was an ARABIC and MUSLIM man named ( Mohamed alkhwarizmi ) , didn’t u know that the 1 who discovered the small blood ( circulation – circle – I dunno the name in English ) was an ARABI and MUSLIM man named ( ibn ilnifees ) , didn’t u know ( alfarabi – ARABIC PHILOSOPHER ) was named ( the 2nd teacher ) after ( arustu – the name in arabic ) the Greek philosopher I dunno his name in English , its that way in Arabic .. ooh mleahy I FEEL SORRY 4 YOUR PATHETIC LITTLE MIND we ( shia – the of muslims I belong 2 ) DON’T GET STONED cuz we have the ( fantasy marriage ) and me and the rest of ( shia ) girls DON’T wear the ( burqa ) only the( bedu – group of arabs ) and ( sunni – group of muslims ) , so don’t talk 2 me about wearing a burqa in summer , talk them if u want 2 .
( sunni – group of muslims ) muslims have 3 sources , but we ( shia – the group of muslims I belong 2 ) has 4 sources The ( shia ) sources 2 take the teachings from : 1st: the holy quran 2nd : the prophet Mohamed ( blessings of god be upon him and his folks ) 3rd : the prophet’s folks and the ( imam’s – they r something like prophets ) ( blessings of god be upon them ) 4th : the religious pple ( 4 the new things ) so if u wanna say any thing 2 debate me with , it should be sumthin ( shia ) believe in . so … 1 of the ( imam’s ) said : IF THE STEALER STOLE , HIS HAND SHOULD BE CUT . so wot does that tell ya ? it tells that if u *STEAL* , but he DIDN’T SAY ( WITH HAND ) , so it means if u steal WHETHER WITH LEG OR HAND .ur hand shud b cut
I dunno david and jim ayatuollah alkhumaini DIDN’T use the religion 4 power , do u even no how his home was ? did u c his home and the way he lived ? I don’t think so , cuz he ( AS WE ALL KNOW ) was the president of ( iran ) , but what ya’ll DIDN’T KNOW that his HOME was SMALL he DIDN’T have a BIG 1 . YES .. the damn – us govt agent -bin laden DID use the religion 4 power , I HATE him .
You are hereby forbidden to use ALL CAPS and any kind of abbreviations when typing from this point on. This is just unbearable to look at.
I will try to stop using abbreviations , my circumstances don’t allow me to be online much more , I have to study , but I will try , I promise
