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  1. Verbal Christ

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    Hmmm. 3 point shooters I can understand, but Luka himself has the best defensive rating (107) when comparing these other players and Luka isnt known as a defender right? Dinwiddie, Brunson, and Bullock all had dratings exactly at 112 during the regular season. Who's hiding who? Seems like Luka has been gifted high IQ players who know where to be and what to do - that supersedes just effort and trying hard.

    Good defense is a team philosophy not impacted by one single player regardless of their talent on that side of the ball. Look at the Celtics - who have a more traditional squad with the rim protector and DPOY at the guard position. They reinvented themselves on that side of the ball and statistically have the best defense in the NBA now after being outside of the top 10 for years.

    Same could be said about Miami. They dont have a lights out rim protector or defensive specialist - instead opting for offensive minded players who compliment each other and push a team approach on defense.

    Interesting.
     
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    You're making my case for me.

    Defense is about culture and effort. Great defense begins with commitment first, from top down, from FO to HC to players.

    And the Mavs were improving defensively even before KP traded away.

    The key was Kidd, not Luka.

    https://thesmokingcuban.com/posts/mavericks-reasons-2022-improved-defense

    And Miami has been known for defense for over a decade. Both Spoelstra and Riley are defensive fanatics.

    Same as Jason Kidd and Ime Udoka.

    Heat, Celts and Bucks have some of best defenders in NBA - Smart, Butler, Tucker, Bam, Giannis, Jrue, Timelord, etc.

    Adding players who already have a predisposition, proven production and/or elite measurables on defense only fastracks and ensures the defensive success.

    Who's fooling who right now?

     
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    I agree that isn’t just defensive aptitude by individuals that creates good defenses, but you do need the physical attributes splattered through your lineup to make defenses work. Individual defense as well as contributing to a team defense requires not only aptitude but desire. I don’t know Jabari or Banchero, but most everything I’ve read is that Jabari is a gym rat like Jalen and in college was much more active than Banchero on that side of the ball. If I’m picking for defense and fit, the safe choice is Smith. If you are picking all-around offense and creating your own shot it is Banchero. Since I don’t think any of the top 3 is demonstrably better than the other 2, I’m picking for fit.
     
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    So a "two way rim protector" is not a necessity right?

     
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    If Jason Kidd was able to make Davis Bertans into a non liability on defense there is hope for ANYBODY - given the right coach is in charge. Lucky for this team they needs to figure out their own hierarchy and gain some experience before Tilman needs to spring for a coach like that, but I think the defense will be easy to fix without tying up high draft picks on defensive specialists.
     
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    Chet is 39% 3P, switchable AND offers elite rim protection.

    Why dont we let everyone else answer that question since you lack the wherewithal.

     
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    LMAOOOOO! "watch the games" so now you're watching Dallas Mavericks games? You're a riot bro. :D:D:D:D:D

    Finney Smith drating 110
    Ntikilina drating 110
    Kleiber (who they dont even play during crunch time) 107

    Cmon now arent you the "stats guy" ???

    No need to go looking for defensive specialists with high draft picks. In a couple of years Jalen Greens Pinoy heritage will bring Eric Spoelstra over and BOOM problem solved (since all it takes is a good coach and players who can switch!)
     
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    Chet has to prove he can switch at the NBA level. Its just too cute how you go appealing to emotion of the board! Go ahead! I dont care what you need to do to justify your wonky takes. You cant provide ANYTHING empirical to back that up. Its just more projection of best case scenarios for one prospect and then expecting worst case for another. Pure subjectivity!
     
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    Not in the argument with you and D-Rock, but it is not arguable that Chet at least in college was better at 3P shooting and rim protection. There’s really no projection in that it is just fact.
     
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    Guess who Mavs Nations main target for offseason FA?

    Wait for it ...

    ... Rudy Gobert

    Not the gotcha moment you thought it was amirite?

     
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    LOL

    When you get so desperate you need to move goal posts, change rules or outright lie - the discussion just becomes silly.

    You are better than this.

     
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    And Chet was better switch defender than Paolo too.

    His argument is disingenuous.

    At best.

     
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    Quantify how those skills will translate. Will Chet be shooting wide open jumpers in the NBA? He was absolutely TERRIBLE in that department when the games were the most pressure packed in the tournament. Chet will probably be a 2 block per game guy if that. He should probably alter more shots coming off the weak side because THAT is his game. I also think his "heart and fire" will have him in foul trouble until he learns how to use his frame to his advantage. Its not going to be going head up vs the 5's of the league thats for sure. Chet thrives when the game is within reach and he can play free flowing. He isnt a clutch performer.
     
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    What is the lie? Stay based in reality and stop being a walking logical fallacy. What rules were changed?
     
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    LOL OK (another bet that Rudy Gobert does not end up in Dallas?) how the hell does he make them any better in the playoffs? Wow talk about "be better" SMH.
     
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    As I have said it’s Fool’s gold. Those plays weren’t winning plays and didn’t lead to wins. And so the scoring was empty much like empty calories. The numbers are deceptive and the issue is the playmaking and scoring during critical moments. As I have said the difference between a good player and mediocre one is ability to make winning plays and right decisions in that window of time. The margin is small but those good or great players have that know how to not make a turnover in a certain situation or the right pass or the right defensive play. The level of precision and consistency outweighs the errors. KPJ has more often than not even in these games he may have scored in bunches but has failed in those moments and erred when the team needed him most.
     
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    If defense were "easy to fix" then every team should be elite defensively.

    This is seriously your stance?

     
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    You can’t put this winning play crap on anybody on the team last year. We were purposefully losing. Of all the players on the team throughout the whole year, KPJ was the most clutch and the most willing to put up the winning shot. Yes, he needs to improve his handles and his decision making (which he did pretty dramatically already), but he and Jalen are going to be one of the best backcourts in the league, if Silas can perform his job. I know I won’t be able to convince you or any of the other KPJ haters, so we will just have to disagree until KPJ proves one of us wrong. By the way, I don’t think KPJ or Wood are going anywhere.
     
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    Reading comprehension should be your friend.

    I did not say Gobert was going to Mavs, I'm saying the Mavs fans desperately want to add Gobert.

    Why?

    Rim protection WITH switchable perimeter defense actually improves defense.

    Mavs fans want to make a strength even stronger.

     

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