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Stone has a plan and....he is sticking to it.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 18, 2023.

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Do you believe that Stone's plan is being executed?

Poll closed Feb 8, 2023.
  1. Yes

    66 vote(s)
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  2. No

    26 vote(s)
    28.3%
  1. Will

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    Oh, ****, LOL. The incentives get worse.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    I'll take the opposite of that bet.
     
  3. Pistol Pete

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    LMAO No kidding
     
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    I have a feeling I’m not gonna like the veteran pickups we make this offseason. No self respecting veteran is gonna want to come here. It’s magical thinking that Houston is gonna be able to just get good players and flip the switch to winning from this year to next. I don’t buy it.
     
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  5. dmoneybangbang

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    I mean that's what the money is for.....

    Not really.... you are just being vague with your gloominess. Define "good players" and define "winning".

    I think the most likely outcome for the Rockets is that we are in the .400 winning percentage range with some modest roster additions that help balance the roster bit.
     
  6. jb86

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    His plan is to strike gold on talent through the draft. Also pay 1 maybe 2 legit all star players. It’s not too many in this years free agency but we do have the draft capital to swing a good deal for the best players on the sorry teams. We still need a championship minded coach though. And it’s plenty of those out there to be had. Bottom line, like the Texans, the Rox have to put that bread up to be really good and lucky for us we actually have the money this go round. The last time the owner really spent some bread on the whole team, we almost made the finals. ‍
     
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    bro, other organizations have money too. Organizations that haven’t been the worst in the league the last 3 yrs with better reputations.
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    So your contention is that the Rockets won't be able to sign on FAs?
     
  9. Aruba77

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    not very good ones.
     
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  10. Nook

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    Except it isn’t just Wemby or bust. If the Rockets add Scoot Henderson, he will immediately become the Rockets franchise player. He is the #1 pick in about 2/3rds of typical drafts. That means the Rockets would have around a 1:3 chance of adding a franchise type player.

    Then you look at Amen Thompson, who is viewed as a typical top 3 type player. While he is raw like Jalen Green was, he is also that type of athlete and a point guard. He has elite upside but some degree of bust factor.
    Then there is Brandon Miller, who projects as a high level starter in the NBA. A long wing that can shoot exceptionally well from 3, and defensively can play multiple spots. He would be a nasty long 3 next to Jabari Smith.

    With the worst record, Miller would be the worst possible lottery ball return, and he is a very good long term piece.
     
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    The Rockets can likely sign solid but not spectacular players to long and bloated contracts.
     
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    If we want FAs this summer we're gonna have to over pay bad. Everybody should stop saying "sign some FAs" and put some names in. It's publicly available information.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

    Myles Turner is the gem but as long as anyone else offers him the max, and I expect a few teams do, there's no hope.

    Would you be willing to throw max contracts at Jerami Grant or Kuzma? That's about the level of player that can be persuaded with sheer money alone. Bruce Brown is a solid vet who isn't too old. Otto Porter a good mentor type. Justice Winslow is still just 27. Juancho Hernangomez was in a decent movie. Yeah it's rough out there.
     
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    You have to look at the FA list.

    Other than Harden who isn't a lock to be a free agent, I don't see many names that are good enough.

    It is more than just luxury to go through the draft, it became a necessity.

    Trades are the other relevant mean to get where they want to be.
     
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    Not a math expert but the odds of the first 2 picks are at 27.4% while 1:3 would be 33.33%.

    1:3,65..... approx. not quite 1:4 either.

    Sorry to be that pedantic but we have to be specific here.

    Haha with the rise of commodity pricing I am well accustomed.
     
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    The Rockets will not get really good free agents. The Rockets will get free agents but they will have to over pay for them and sign them to long contracts. So they will immediately be under water.
    The Rockets best bet is giving up modest assets in a three way deal for someone like John Collins.
     
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    Agree on the premise, not the player. I’d like a modest point guard improvement like Lorenzo Ball or Conley or Caruso. Adding a decent vet defensive backup center. On second thought, Collins wouldn’t be bad if we could bring him off the bench. Assuming we don’t get Wemby or Scoot a lineup like this might get us started to a greatly improved team next year.

    Lorenzo or Conley, tyty
    Green, Gordon
    KJM, Tari, Tate
    Jabari, Collins, Tate
    Sengun, vet sign

    2023 frp might supplant someone like tyty.

    If we get Wemby or Scoot, then that changes the equation a lot. Then KPJ, Tate, Gordon, KJM, Garuba, all the Brooklyn picks come into play for some really good vets, maybe even Sengun if Wemby is the pick.
     
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    I literally heard the same thing about Green in that him being first in many drafts. I'm sure you heard this in media circles also.

    Draft hype is almost always "grass is greener on the other side". I'm not denying Henderson is a higher hyped prospect than Green when Green was 18. His hype is definitely higher. But it isn't automatic that Henderson will asurp Green. Henderson could disappoint. Green could have a second half season surge like last year and get back into the good graces.

    Also their Gleague stats aren't far apart enough. Henderson has better assist numbers. Green was far more efficient as a scorer. Their net rating are both negative.

    Like their impact at age 18 in the Gleague is nearly the same.

    Good thing about Henderson is that him and Green compliment each other well. Green can be the primary scorer operating off ball and Scoot can be the primary playmaker.
     
  20. daywalker02

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    It is very hard to say because I heard 'Derrick Rose' or Russ Westbrook comparisons already.

    Those are examples that don't have the longevity and extended prime that a player would want at their level.

    Do you want a 1 time MVP but then 5 years of 'questionable IQ' plays or horrible injury because they were playing super athletically?

    I hope he turns out like Nash or Kidd to be honest.
     
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