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  1. astros123

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    Again i agree with you on this strategy on a issue that you have the majority support on. If the Republicans come out against gay marriage or some other culture war issues that the public agrees with you upon then its time to do what you wish.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans don't want trans women playing with biological women. You don't go to war with the media on a issue that you dont have the majority support on.

    Trump campaign solely focused on the trans women in women sports cuz they knew they had the support of the public on the issue. If democrats smartly pivot on the trans issue and Republicans focus on gay marriage or something else then yes I agree you should go to war with them then.
     
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    Democratic senators are also claiming that their polling shows the anti trans ads were the single most successful ads ran against them during the campaign. Nothing came close to the anti trans ads in terms of success

    Republicans didn't win cuz of economic anxiety. They won cuz they fear mongered the public about trans people and it worked
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    Can you address what I type?

    Or are you just going to to restatew what I already know you believe?

    The overwhelming majority of Americans don't give a **** about the issue and just hear it in passing from the mass brute force tactic of proliferating anti-trans content through all forms of media by the right and just think of it as "weird". Ya many American if you spam the issue will say it's "weird". That's it. That's the extent they care about it in a sincere manner.

    What they would care about more if you actually had a talented person who was the nominee who could expand beyond coached talking points in expressing their ideas and beliefs without sounding coached was telling these people that they are spamming you this niche issue and ignoring stories of how your rent is going up through price fixing by corporations and these people are paid by these wealthy elite to distract you.

    They'll be more pissed about that because at the end of the day they will care about the issue that personally effects them more but you have to activate that feeling. You have to show them with good rhetorical skills how these media influencers are charlatans distracting you.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    "Donald Trump won on bigotry. That means next campaign Democrats should consider being a tad bit more bigoted to not lose voters"
     
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    Let me just say you sound like some Russian bot trying to sabotage the Democrat party. Like coming on here and actually believing that the Democrats next election cycle need to run a camping centered around trans people shouldn't be allowed to play in sports is just a unhinged takeaway of the election.

    SO many odd things about you brother like your level of cheerleading of individual politicians who never are perceived to have a cult of personality in your obsession with Biden being a savior like how MAGA describes Trump. You weird bro. I'm beginning to think I'm talking to someone who isn't being sincere at the other end.
     
  6. astros123

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    Not allowing trans women to play with biological women isn't bigotry. What's wrong with you? You can support trans people without going over the top
     
  7. astros123

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    I'm a Russian bot cuz i know how to properly read data and I'm not some idealistic moron? The Trump campaign and democratic senators are all saying the trans stuff killed them and youre so braindead that you think tackling the issue makes you a bot or some bigot.

    I repeatedly said on these forums that I didn't think biden should run for a second term so WTF are you talking about? Biden was the most successful democratic president in terms of policy but I was always a realist
     
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    How many times did Kamala mention this during her campaign? Close to zero if not zero. The voting public does not give a damn what you did if you don't beat them over the head with it. Just like the GOP did with trans issues and immigration. She should have been hammering this home every time she opened her mouth.
     
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    Kamala mentioned it alot! She talked about corporate greed and price gouging at every campaign rally! She ran 300 million dollars worth of ads about economic populism ! The reality is folks were more concerned about trans people than economic anxiety

    The Harris's own campaign admits that the anti trans stuff is what won over swimg voters. The trump campaign has repeatedly said the anti trans ads is what brought them the most success

    You folks are arguing with hard cold facts and data. It's not me saying this but both the campaigns!
     
  10. Xopher

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    Here is why Harris lost. People who pay attention to news voted for Harris. People who didn't pay attention to news voted for Trump. You have to force feed your narrative. The GOP did. Kamala didn't 20241115_162641.jpg
     
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    Data for progress IS A FAKE POLLING COMPANY. Their owner got caught manipulating polls bcz he was betting on them.

    Blueprint polling is Harris internal polling company. They know better than anyone else

     
  12. fchowd0311

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    And Jews shouldn't drink the blood of gentile babies...

    You obviously do not understand how bigotry spreads. The Daily Wire last year released a movie called "Lady Ballers" where the concept was that a team of middle aged men who never won anything in sports want to win something so they claimed to be trans and joined a women's basketball league. I'm bringing this up because the original plan for the movie was going to be a documentary where two guys within Daily Wire claim to be trans and actually join a women's basketball league and wreck it. The issue? Not a single league they approached accepted them because all these leagues that allow trans women have strict rules about treatment, hormone therapy etc which means for these two bozos to do their shtick they would actually have to go through gender reassignment therapy and surgery. These people wanted to bad to make a point that there is this systemic issue of men who want to win in sports purposely lie about being trans to join these leagues. Obviously they had to resort to making a movie portraying their narrative rather finding examples of their narrative. Point being this is a very rare niche issue.

    The point is this. Democrats bringing up this issue on their own means a larger group of people will now believe this is a systemic issue. They will start believing that this is the life of the average trans individual trying to dominate women in their fields because they didn't cut it as men. The negative limelight will be on them. The vast majority of Americans' ONLY interaction with trans people is through the lenses of these moral panic issues. All this means is more time for people with zero real life interactions with trans people just being fed more negative perceptions of trans people.

    And I wasn't trying to be edgy with that first line. Its to make the point that Jews have never "drank the blood of gentile babies". Obviously the actual concept of someone drinking the blood of babies is wrong ethically. And the spamming of these narratives is what drives bigotry. When there is a small group of oppressed people where the majority of the population's only interaction with these groups is the gossip they get from either their social media feeds today or print newspapers back in 1920s Germany, the more these gossip stories are the only point of contact with that group, the more accelerated the bigotry actually materializes into actual harm.
     
  13. Xopher

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    I'm not arguing the trans issue swung the election. It did. So did immigration. So did the rise of inflation. You cannot ****ing tell people things are better now when their feelings and wallets are telling them otherwise. You have to beat it into their heads, over and over and over again WHY inflation happened and show the same exact thing would have happened under Trump.
     
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    But Harris did beat it over their heads multiple times! She never claimed that the economy was doing great. During every rally she started off by saying prices are way to high and inflation is killing people ! On the topic of who would you trust more on the economy poll after poll showed Harris narrowed the gap with trump and even beat him on some polls.

    Harris economic messaging was so good that the trump campaign abandoned their entire economic messaging to go all in on trans stuff! The trans stuff is what burried Harris! I dont know why this is so hard for yall to believe.

    Americans are dumb human beings
     
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    Buddy. The MAGA campaign of the past 10 years has never discussed economic issues outside of blaming any economic issues on migrants.

    Harris economic pain wasn't so banger that the maga campaign was like " woe was us. We cannot discuss economic policy because this Harris lady is owning us" .

    The anti trans content machine has existed for 5+ years. They were spamming this issue in the 2022 midterms and lost. Harris had nothing to do with them "pivoting". They never pivoted.
     
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    Godwin's law in effect.
     
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    Is that an argument or observation?

    Is this supposed to mean anything in terms of me having to reconsider something that might be wrong?
     
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    It means you've crossed the Nazi Germany rubicon in your rhetoric. It's over the top.
     
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    Do you ever get off the internet?
     
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    No she ****ing didn't. She talked about current inflation. She did not talk about how and why inflation skyrocketed the first 2 years of the term. Yeah she did say inflation is killing people. She absolutely did. You know what the rights response was? "YOUR ADMINISTRATION CAUSED THE INFLATION!" She never combated that. You have to combat that. She gave them the equivalent of "Trust me bro". She did not say. "Yes inflation was bad at the beginning of the term. Here is why...Now you know why it happened, here is what was done to combat it. Now inflation is at 2.5% . Here is what I am going to do to help even more. Now she did the last part. She did not do the first part which is critical. You have to show why you are not to blame and why the administration is not to blame. Because if they blame your administration for it why the **** are they going to trust you to fix it?
     
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