No, some of people that are Pro-Francis like to argue against the vast majority of the people who want to get rid of him for the simple reason of attention and needing to seem unique. I guess they think they're performing some 'service' by constantly arguing the other side. "Look at me, I don't think like the majority, I'm different and special...I'm going to argue against the masses no matter how irrational and completely biased I seem." Sigh...if parents just paid more attention to their kids...
Your just thinking too deep, the only reason we argue is becasue we dont want francis traded? cant there be both sides to the issue?
Two sides to an issue? Obviously there is only reason to support one side. People with differing opinions weren't loved as children. Farhan, it's funny that debate has come to people claiming that only one side has any foundation and the other is doing it just to be different.
Little misleading. The Bucks won 20, 34 and 25 games the three years before Allen arrived. 33 and 36 isn't much, but improvement over 25... while the third year of "28 wins" was in a strike-shortened 50-game season, which equates roughly to 46 wins. Allen was in the playoffs by age 24 and in a Game 7 of the East Finals by age 26. But a poster using the "What has that guy's team ever done?" card to defend Steve Francis? Come on, that's kind of funny. Besides, no one is saying to get Ray Allen and make him the team. He could potentially be a much better complement to Yao Ming than Steve is though. Francis is (or has been before) a great player, but it may not be a sin to say he doesn't fit next to Yao. Right now though this is made to be much worse simply because Francis is having the worst shooting year of his life.
It was a joke guys, remove panties from crack... Actually a serious question. Would there EVER be a situation that you'd think Francis wasn't a fit for this team and should be traded?
I would've gotten that joke before this year started. But I see so many assinine things said these days, that I didn't know. That's bad when things that should be soooo far out there don't always get noticed. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Its cool man, I should've put more smiles at the end of the post...or I could've just not posted it....
A big 3 that can rebound and pass the ball (esp into the post ) : Donyell Marshall Matt Harpring Affordable role players - we can get this kind of guy. The deadeye shooter is the Ray Allen type. A solid point that can shoot from outside and doesn't turn it over. - Hinrich. The right kind of 4 is a role player with good fundamental skills. Yao is the star. A Nesterovic type would do very well with our Duncan. A few rungs down the talent ladder, Vladimir Radmonivic is starting to pick up the nba game. He can shoot outside and work with Yao low; he can block out with Yao high. He can pass. Sonics might swap him for Taylor in a s&t with Brent Barry. You want to keep Steve, Cato, Talyor and Cat vs. a international-style team, then you're just not getting the most out of Yao, and you'll get killed with a simple zone in the playoffs. One of the questions in this thread is what kind of player would make a good mix with Yao. There's some examples of team-type guys above. I know there are others not mentioned. But clearly, the iso player is NOT a good mix with Yao. If you disagree, please tell us why it's better to have a dribble iso scorer than a pass teamwork shooter.
Yes. And I do understand the position that Steve shouldn't be traded because we won't get equal value in return. My problem with the clique of people who want to keep Francis... is the frequency that such people often criticize Yao... at least vis a vis Francis. I think in the opinion of most of the reasonable people here... Yao has looked increasingly more effective than Francis. Yet yours (and others) opinion on the issue doesn't seem to budge. Despite all the evidence (statistical and otherwise) to the contrary, some still insist that the offense should run through Francis when he's on the court, etc... despite the fact that it's pretty clear cut that Yao is not only more effective at scoring... but that his positive efforts are more outcome determinative than Steve's. The reaction to last night's game says it all. Steve was terrible last night. Just plain awful. We win easily if he didn't absolutely suck at scoring last night. Hell, if he just didn't shoot so much, and had passed to Cat and Yao, who were both playing well, it wouldn't have gone to overtime. Steve had 9 assists and 2 turnovers last night. But he also took 21 shots and made about 1/4 of them. Then he hits a game-tying 3... and a select few choose to ignore the fact that he had a terrible game.
I'm perfectly fine with Yao stepping up and being the leader. I don't care who leads. But I do disagree that Steve had a horrible game. He had a horrible shooting game. But Steve did do plenty of other little things last night to help his team. His hussle, hardwork, passing, protecting the ball etc. all played a key role in the victory as well. I'm not even one that says definitely keep Steve at the end of the year. I say that right now our team is set, and we should cheer for them and see what happens in the playoffs. If they are competitive then keep the team together with minor modifications. If they aren't, then I have no problem major changes.
you talking about your posts or the garm in general if all people do is criticise it's real tough to have a genuine discussion without it becoming .... player X has to go and then that becomes we should trade player x for.....
You know, if he'd ended up 5/12... I might agree with you. If he'd ended up 9/21... I might agree with you. But when you take so many shots... and miss so many... I just don't consider it acceptable when there's not 1 but 2 players that are shooting the ball quite well on the night. Until that 3rd overtime, Steve managed to take more shots than both of them. Imagine, hypothetically, a player that shot 25% from the field but dropped 9 dimes and only had 2 turnovers every night. Would anybody really want him? No.
Oh please. You're too smart for that. Stop being disingenuous. So, magically, because the team won last night... every single player on the team did a good job? Or, say, the Spurs got the ultimate win last year... would you take any player on their roster? Would you say all their players are above leage-average? The truth, which we both know, is that a PG who shot 25% from the field while taking 21 shots per game wouldn't get a job anywhere in the NBA. This isn't a general insult towards Francis, but rather an acknowledgement that he sucked last night.
Cmon Smeg, this is a Sports BBS not Socrates.net. Also, its hard not to criticize Steve when he's much worse in his 5th season than was in his rookie year...the dude just doesn't care how out of control he plays or how badly his unpredictable style disrupts a smooth running offense. I don't think Steve could fit any championship program simply because he's too impatient and tempermental. Maybe he'll get better when he matures and calms down a bit, but we've been waiting for that to happen for years now. Will it ever happen?
