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Steve Novak = Tracy Murray

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Jul 12, 2007.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    LOL, a better rebounder? Sorry dog but you must still be woozy from Mike James return-induced hysteria. Novak is one of the worst rebounders for a PF in history. In fact his 7.8 rebound rating last year exactly matches Murray's career average, who never played PF. When you rebounding matches a one-dimensional journeyman SF, your PF future is cloudy.

    But anyway, I like how you invented him not only as being a better rebounder but more mobile as well - I trust you have done a film study on this? :rolleyes: Or do you jsut need something silly that you made up to debate about to make us forget about your Rafer-James magnum opus from last summer?

    Murray at least was good enough to hang around for 12 seasons. I'm going to bet the under on Novak.

    Q
     
  2. kingkow

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    I doubt it. (ref: Jacobsen)
     
  3. solid

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    Regretfully, things are not looking good for Novak. The Rockets said "show us what you got," and he hasn't come through. Too bad.
     
  4. Rockets34Legend

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    In the past 2 SL games, he has been playing 4th fiddle to AB, Mike Harris, and Landry.

    He thinks he can just camp out at the 3-point line and have Yao feed him the ball. The guy needs to add some extra weapons to his game or he's out the door.
     
  5. BEXCELANT

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    If he keeps playing like this, I vote for dropping him off the roster and assigning him to the NBDL.
     
  6. wreck

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    I heard he has excellent vocabulary maybe he can be just like Bullard and become a commentator after spending 10 years deep in an nba bench, of course not before burrying many wide open 3s
     
  7. Nice Rollin

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    based on what??? He hasnt shown antying. All he can do is shoot threes. We'll be lucky if he turns into a Jason Kapono type...
     
  8. The_Yoyo

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    Murray went to my high school and college and plays at the local 24 hour in san dimas.....I think Novak wouldnt play at the san dimas location maybe the milwaukee one.


    i think novak has a great chance still, he better I have a novak jersey.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    He will be better playing with the better players....right now, players won't leave him alone.

    Playing with Yao, Tmac, Battier, Scola & James etc.....he will get more wide open looks.

    DD
     
  10. DaneB

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    I couldn't agree. If your slow and you can't do anything but shoot 3's, you're not going to last very long. One-dimensional players will last if they are defensive, shotblockers, rebounders or scorers. But, a slow three point specialist? Nope, I really doubt he will ever crack the rotation unless somebody gets hurt and we're desperate.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Signed,

    Matt Bullard.
     
  12. Rockets111

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    I've watched both play. Murray was sluggish. He had potential as a guy who could post and shoot from his size, but he regressed quickly. I don't have an NBA reference book anywhere need me, but I think his only decent years came in Toronto. Anyway, he had a nice release, but not as quick as Steve's, and he certainly didn't move off the ball as well as Steve either.

    And yes, it's my opinion Novak is a better rebounder than Murray. I didn't say that I thought he was one of the better rebounding PFs, or that he's a phenomenal rebounder, just that he's better than Murray. You're getting too caught up in my mere opinion.

    And, I've actually done my share study of shooters, because I appreciate pure shooting in basketball, i.e. Glen Rice, Jeff Hornacek, etc. I think in the long run, Novak will have a better career than Murray.

    And it seems you're the only one caught up on my James-Alston spiel. Either seek therapy or let it go man, but you're attention towards what I do is unsettling.
     
  13. H-TownBBall

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    Novak looks like a scrub in the summer league. That's all you have to know. Don't give me that "the NBA needs more shooters crap". The NBA needs more players and Novak is not one.
     
  14. Realjad

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    I hope we cut novak, for two reasons

    1. He is scrubbing it up in Summer League

    2. He has had an entire year to learn defense, he has had an entire year to gain some muscle on his wimpy body... but obvisoley he didn't take the time to do it. He must not have the motivation, cut him

    NOOOOOO!!!!!vak ;)
     
  15. BackNthDay

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    Novak is not tough enough and I don't see him developing that trait. A 2nd year player should really dominate in the summer league. Look at his stats, less than 40% shooting, no rebounding, and looks invisible in the post.
     
  16. thecity5

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    Hes still young. his career just started and you talking about him getting cut. he'll work on his game and improve.
     
  17. thecity5

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    Thats because he's playing center and thats not his position. he's more of a forward.
     
  18. H-TownBBall

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    You are incorrect. He is playing PF. Landry is playing center. Harris is playing SF and he is still playing more inside than Novak. Novak is not playing out of his comfort zone in any way. He is roaming around the 3 point line and flailing about the court. He looks like Ryan Bowen to me because he shoots about as well in games as Bowen did. I don't care how he shoots in practice.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Your opinion is fine - my issue is that you fabricate facts to back it up, facts that are at best inconsequential ("better rebounder than tracy murray" is like saying "this turd doesn't taste THAT bad!") - and in this instance, not even accurate (a quick check of their respective rebound ratings reveals them to be identical - while playing different positions, no less, where one position naturally affords fewer rebound opportunities. Hell as a rookie Murray was substantially better at rebounding than Novak - from a pure perimeter role)

    Issue 2: Your contention about him being faster is an absolute fabrication. I have watched the NBA for many years. I cannot simply call up random scrub players and fabricate information like this. I can make a very educated contention, for example, that Muggsy Bogues was probably quicker than Chuck Nevitt. But I could not state, with any degree of conviction, that Hank McDowell would beat Adrian Caldwell in a footrace. This data set simply does not exist to the extent where an amateur like you could recall it with any degree of precision. Therefore I find it dubious for you to make this comparison with any degree of conviction - I doubt anybody on earth could. "Random scrub PF, vs. journeyman SF from ten years ago- WHO'S FASTER!!!!! "....no.

    I do note that somebody must have thought Murray was not ponderously slow becuase he was a mid first round draft pick whereas Novak (who, from what I've seen, has trouble getting his shot off in the NBA when there is a man within 10 feet) was a second rounder in a very weak draft.

    As a whole, this is a very similar pattern of exaggerations and fabrications and self-contradictory logic over which Clutch would flog you mercilessly last summer, I guess old habits die hard.

    But anyway - you say he will have a better career. I said before I am betting the under vs. Murray's 12 years in the league. If I am right do you promise to leave the BBS forever and go back to hoopsworld or wherever it is that you came from?
     
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  20. peleincubus

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    he will play better.

    he will average 8 points per game this year.

    steve novak haters go home
     

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