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Steve Francis update...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TxTchRT41, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. Illmatic

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    ok, internet gangsta, it must be sweet hiding behind your computer and dishing out names

    it doesnt get any softer and a loser than Yao and Tmac, no matter how much i dislike KG his misplaced intensity. He definitely has intensity.

    You didnt prove anything. based on the below stats, Yao took 48% jump shots, 11% dunks and 2% tips(layups included). Now, do not let the 39% close shots or 52% inside shots decieve you, inside just means its inside the 3 point line and close means its in the paint area. Yao predominantly plays in the paint, so this is no surprise. So before you assume you proved anything or start pulling stats out of your ear, crunch the numbers and make sure they equal 100% before you start using it in your argument.

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    Shot Att. eFG% Ast'd Blk'd Pts
    Jump 48% .380 61% 5% 5.7
    Close 39% .556 62% 11% 6.7
    Dunk 11% .902 66% 2% 3.0
    Tips 2% .476 0% 0% 0.4
    Inside 52% .624 61% 9% 10.0
     
  2. Illmatic

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    Yao was and still remains a bad post player. His defense is still suspect and rebounds just like a little man. On the other hand, his shooting has sky rocketed and im sure had JVG not limited his passing, he might have been one of the best passing big men in the league now. You are definitely right that experience played a big part in his development but i also believe the coaching staff and especially team mates play a part too.

    Yao was once asked on TV interview on channel 13 what was the major difference between between Francis and McGrady. He clearly said McGrady just came in for practice and afterwards taking shots, usually just left without much words. While Francis on the other hand will criticized how he dunked and make fun of him if he wasn't being hard enough. Francis was a vocal leader and im sure would have pointed out certain things to Yao, the rockets now lack a true leader who can inspire or motivate players. The closest are Mutombo and Battier, but we all know how that works when the motivator on your team is not the best or 2nd best player on the team--- simple, no one pays them any attention
     
  3. c0r0na21

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    Stevie is my favorite player and im gald you gave me this info even though i had already thought he would come back in shape anyway but this is better cuz im getting facts.....and he was not that bad last year check him out, i hope steve francis looks at this so he can see how good he was.....


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  4. Illmatic

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    Some people just live to hate, and some people , no matter how much clear cut arguments you to pursue will always cling to their ignorance. If Francis slept with one your family members, let it go man and just tell whoever it is to be more careful next time
     
  5. rocketsregle

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    Oh I don't know where I got the idea that I proved you wrong ... oh wait wasn't it you who said this:

    Maybe it would help if you understood that 39% close + 11% dunk + 2% tips = 52% inside

    52% inside + 48% jump-shots = 100%

    What's not 100%? ... [Edit this is not worth my energy, thacabbage is right]
     
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  6. Carl Herrera

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    So, Yao Ming only took 52% of his shots inside the 3 point line? The other 48% of his shots were 3 pointers?
     
  7. Illmatic

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    so does he average more dunks than lay ups since that was the original idea
     
  8. Rover16

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    I'm just trying to help you wake up from the fantasy world you're living in. Francis may still be able to compete in a YMCA league, but he's done as far as the nba is concerned. You would do well to heed my advice and join the rest of us in reality and in the year 2008. :cool:
     
  9. Illmatic

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    dont be daft, im sure if you know how to turn on your computer, then you should know how to comprehend words when you read them
     
  10. Illmatic

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    While you are in reality, add Tmac to the list of people who will not be leaving the first round
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    I'm trying to comprehend how you would comprehend the following words:

    "inside just means its inside the 3 point line"
     
  12. Illmatic

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    i guess i have to spoon feed you, inside means paint area, you happy now. Although im sure you asked that question because you usually see Yao jacking up threes while Rafer is manning the paint.

    And i still havent seen a stat to show that Yao averaged more dunks than jump shots, since that was the original argument.

    The last stat was 48% jump shot to 11% dunks. Anyone got new numbers??
     
  13. blender

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    No, the 48 % were jump shots. Out of the rest of the shots (52%), 11% were dunks, 2% were tips, and 39% were "close" shots, which illmatic describes as those in the paint area.

    I'm assuming Yao's 3-pointers are not even measured here since the number is too small.

    Which proves...I have no idea. That Yao doesn't dunk enough, I suppose.

    I must be bored.
     
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    was this part intended as a joke or something?

    btw you do know almost all of the great rebounders that the nba has seen are under 7 feet, right?
     
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    The funny thing is . .. they way he *was* . .is better suited for Adelman's system
    than he is now

    Rocket River
     
  16. rocketsregle

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    Saying Yao [insert other skilled big men like Duncan, Hakeem, Amare, KG, etc ...] averages more jump-shots than dunks is like saying the sky is blue. I liked to know if there is a skilled big man in the NBA who averages more dunks than jump-shots. Key word skilled. Otherwise, I don't get the fascination with the dunk to jump-shot ratio. That Yao is not taking enough dunks? He averages more dunks than Duncan and KG.
     
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  17. carib

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    why do you say Yao is a bad post player. He averaged 22pts and 10 reb. Most of his scoring comes from within the paint. "Rebounds like a little man" what little man is giving you double digit rebounds per game. Yao is one of the best bigmen in the league, what is needed is a third scorer and health not critiques of Yao's game.
     
  18. saleem

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    That's what Adelman was trying to do, have him pass/shoot as well as go down low which wasn't a bad idea but it takes time to get adjusted to a new system.
    Rick abandoned it because Yao was struggling.
     
  19. Shroopy2

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    I wont dismiss that some players have personalities that bring out the best in others. Francis is called "Lao Da" for a reason I'm sure. There was probably AN adjustment year where Yao didnt have the familiar group of Francis, Mobley (who people say didnt care to bring out the best in Yao), and his buddy Nachbar.

    Then he had to adapt to an almost entirely new team with a laid back McGrady, a gritty Sura (who was more like Mobley, critical but never overly helpful), and bunch of older vets like Barry and Wesley he probably didnt relate to that much.

    But Yao has MANY other pressures and obligations that he's always had to tend to, that he had to be self motivated to succeed. Yao, against how people wanted him to react, knew that training with Hakeem was more publicity and not that beneficial to his game. Splitting hairs here, just saying maybe Francis has an effect maybe not, but there's really no way of proving it for certain is all.
     
  20. saleem

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    Personalities can help to bring out the best in a person,but whether one succeeds or not depends entirely on what's inside of you.
     

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