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Steve Francis post game interview: "I'd take that shot again"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by silentfan, Feb 10, 2004.

  1. Rockets2K

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    I have fought hard to see a positive side to francis..
    but Im starting to come to this viewpoint myself.

    It was a stupid move..and totally opposite to how we had gotten back into the game..

    Im not gonna search out threads to spray hate about franics in...but no longer will I be against trading him for different players.

    Everyone else on the team sacrifices and tries to do the right thing....but Francis.

    I have but one hope left....that he eventually sees the error of his ways and successfully finishes changing his game for the better.....but I aint holding my breath. :(
     
  2. farhan007

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    You just assume that whenever steve takes a shot at the end of the shotclock its becasue he dribbled all the time. No. the ball goes through everyone's hands, and they pass up decent shots, and when they see that clock less than 3 seconds, they yell in their heads "WHERES STEVE!!!", and force him to take a ugly buzzer shot.
     
  3. thanwu

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    Could anyone put PG assists list? I want to know where SF stands.
     
  4. scutmb

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    IT's you assumimg that way. Everyone else see different. Go with Steve next season.
     
  5. farhan007

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    i belive steve is 11 or something out of 30 starting pgs. Not amazing for a all-star pg, but it will do. But it will only work, if he cuts down on those nasty tos
     
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    no, im not assuming, im telling a fact. Go watch the tapes. And im sure you were one of those huge fans back when dream was strong and had those two championships for us. Or maybe not. But i can say that since i was born in this city, and lived here for 17 years.
     
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    This is exactly what i was thinking. Francis circled the perimeter looking to pass it to someone. The fact is that, everyone was guarded. So insted of going for a 2...why not go for the 3. Francis had no other choice. I look at it this way...if Francis happend to make that 3..he would have been a hero and there whould be no trade rumors about him...but because he missed we are criticizing the hell out of him and blaming him for losing the game. Thats not right. Even though Francis' shooting wasnt very good last night...he still put up good numbers. Rockets fans are going CRAZY over the whole Francis situation. Rockets just need to win a couple of games and all this bull s#$t will be over. Trading Francis will solve nothing. I wouldnt be surprised if Francis puts up BIG numbers tom. against the Lakers just to shut everyone one up..that includes the media and some of these fans.
     
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    Apparently you didn't see this:

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  9. New Jack

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    I think Steve really needs a humbling experience. I remember Hakeem saying the key to success is staying humble and staying hungry.

    Steve definitely has the hunger thing down. He clearly has the desire to win.

    He’s just not even on the same vicinity as humble.

    Quotes like
    saying he’ll play whatever way he wants
    or not giving other teams credit when they beat him fair and square
    or refusing to admit last night’s shot was bad one or that ANY of the shots he takes are bad, they just don’t go in some nights
    or instead admitting his mistake of going to the superbowl and apologizing, making up some “family emergency”

    Just does not sound like he ever thinks he’s ever made a mistake in his life. His hardheadedness really bugs me. I get frustrated with his mistakes, but it frustrates me twice as much when he doesn’t own up to them.

    Hell if I know what it will take to get him humbled. He’s got his head coach resorting to going to the media to criticize him. He’s got fans in Houston as well as sports analyst all over the country ripping him to shreds. Maybe they should try going to his grandma and asking her to talk some sense into him?
     
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    First of all, let me say that from the original post, I cannot deduce who's fault it is. It only said JVG told Steve to push it up court. It DID NOT say whether JVG told Steve to hold on for a last second 3. If he did, it's thoroughly JVG's fault. He made a bad decision that cost the team the game. However, that is inconclusive. If JVG merely told Steve to push the ball (as he should, as there is no time left) and Steve just decided to hold for the 3, then Steve made a bad decision and it is HIS fault.

    What I do want to say is that I am confused. It's hard not to when some here change their opinions faster than some of us can keep track of. If you all recall, JVG was the DICTATOR last week for ruining lil' Stevie's Superbowl weekend. Some here said he was inflexible and Steve was right to have went against his order (despite the fact that it cost the team). Yet here, they are defending Steve by saying he followed JVG's order. How convenient it is to manipulate the argument. Should Steve listen to JVG or not? You can't have it both ways. I may get (wrongfully) called a JVGOF (in which I didn't think you can be a coach's OF), but at least I am consistent.
     
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    The team didn't STRAND Francis. Francis has a tendency to STRAND HIMSELF.

    Leaders take full responsibility for the losses. Bird would have. Isiah would have and Jordan would have.

    What Francis is really saying is, "I'll take that shot again, because that's the only way I know how to play. So give me some slack! What? Do you really think I know how to setup my teammates? That's not me! I'm a scorer. That's what I do."
     
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    C'mon guys. Last 15 seconds, no time out. Coach Jeff called a play but Stevie poorly executed it. He made 2 mistakes. He forced an outbalanced shot AND..... he did it 2 seconds before the time expires. Normally with that kind of situation, you have to hit that shot 5 secs earlier so if you miss you get another chance.

    I'm expecting a surprise trade before next week.
     
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    Originally posted by farhan007 " no, im not assuming, im telling a fact. Go watch the tapes. And im sure you were one of those huge fans back when dream was strong and had those two championships for us. Or maybe not. But i can say that since i was born in this city, and lived here for 17 years."

    Yes, I am a rockets fan back to 1993. I am sorry I did not know I were fighting against a kid. Do not be sad, if Franchies leave next season. If Steve could not do anything better in five years, it's time to let him go, for himself, for fans, and for city.
     
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    SF needs to sit next time there's an end-of-game situation. Jack is the guy I would want setting up the last play, creaky wheels and all.
    Two possessions' worth of time to work with, four other players on the floor with NBA credentials, and you're going to do nothing to get them involved in the last play?
    What an inflated sense of self-worth this guy has. The market for World B. Free dried up a long time ago, so good luck trying to get anything close to equal value for this guy in trade. He renders the players around him irrelevant.
     
  16. farhan007

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    what, now your trying to patronize me?? So what if i am a kid?? At 17 a should have some commen sense?? As of right now, i dont care if francis leaves or not. I was a big fan of the rockets before him, and i will be one after he is gone.
    but i do not agree on a trade in the middle of a playoff race, where trading a player could really screw up chemistry. Right now, we are projected to make the playoffs. Why change it?
     
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    Speaking of not having time outs....

    This was not the first time this season that we were caught up in a close game with not much time left and had NO timeouts left.

    We run through those things too much in the second half.
     
  18. Rockets2K

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    Ummm...no

    We were down 3...they would have gladly allowed him to drive in and score 2...they would not have left the 3 point shooters(JJ,Cat,Padge)..therefore there would have not been anyone open.

    there would have been ZERO doubles if Francis had drove inside.

    This is basic ball knowledge...

    now, Im not saying that the play was run as well as it should have been..the guys should have been moving around and trying to get free..we had zero player movement except for Francis...and therefore...zero chance of a clear shot against the best defense in the league.
     
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    there was a split second where JJ was waiving his hand after steve had moved to the other side. But there was no way in hell that even Jason kidd could pull of that pass.
     
  20. Rockets2K

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    yea...I saw that too....but by then Francis was already on the other side of the court with Horry directly between him and JJ..

    considering how adept SA had been in intercepting and deflecting passes....not a good idea at all.
     

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