*you are comparing what Steve has done in 3 and a half years in the NBA to HOFers. Please don't. *Despite Brand having played more games, average more points and minutes, have a better FG% and average 10rpg; how Steve got Co-Rookie of the Year I don't know. Steve was even on a better team at the time. Co-Rookie of the Year?? Not in my book. *All of the stats you have run off are of no meaning. He has shown zero improvement in four years since joining the league. His numbers are almost identical now as they were in his rookie campaign. His point have gone up because his minutes have gone up. And once again he has done NOTHING!!! * "Only rookie in NBA history to rank within the top 5 in all 9 of the statistical categories tracked by the NBA" For ROOKIES?? Who CARES!!! I know damn well he has never ranked in the top five in points per game.(Non rookies)
NBA.com said it. If you want to tell the NBA who's good and who's not, be my guest. Fans of other teams are even willing to give Steve the credit he deserves. It's just really odd to find a Rockets "fan" that won't.
NO, you bet your ass i'm not going to compare a punk kid who has played just 3 and a half years in the NBA and has done NOTHING, to a bunch of HOFers with rings. Not just HOFers, two of the best point guards to play the game!!
I'm not saying Francis is HOF quality yet, I'm just saying that you can't write him off as accomplishing nothing. The guy has done more in these three years then most people do in their whole careers, and just because he's not swiping up rings doesn't mean he's done NOTHING. Like you said, it's only been 3 years. Give him time and he'll earn his spot in history, I can guarantee you that.
Yes you are!! You choosing to post that solidifies your stance on the topic. If you were not comparing him to the likes of HOFers then you wouldn't have posted that or this: "If you want to tell the NBA who's good and who's not,...". And I never said "NOTHING" meant otherwise he should be swiping up rings but to garner an 80 f**cking plus million dollar deal he could have at least got this team to the playoffs. As far as i'm concerned the only real success Francis will see, will now be courtesy of Yao Ming.
why are you calling him a punk kid? What has he done that got him in trouble. DOnt you think your kinda overdooin the Francis hating hear? If you are a Rockets fan its sad that you have to talk sooo low on our best player like that when he just plain and simples shows the best effort on the court. Its a major myth about him tryig to play for the stats. Then why is he only taking 15 attemps per game. Infact he should me taking 20+ shot attemps becasue this team doesnt have that many differnt good scoring options. You also see he is NEVER hesitent to blame himself for the loss. And that their myfreind is the first step to being a leader...(taking the blame off the whole team and blaming himself). Also since Yao has been an effective scoring option, you see steves shot attemps drasticly decrease throughout the year. So he ia willing to chance(even though him taking less shot attemps meant us loosing more games last season).
Please. If that's what mattered, Francis has been much more successful than Elton Brand, yet it didn't stop Brand from his money. Or Odom from getting 60 mill. Andre Miller, Corey Maggette, the list goes on. Try better logic.
Fact of the matter is, Steve Francis completely choked after the last Phoenix game last year, while Marbury put the Suns on his back, and took them to the playoffs. I am not in the mood to look for stats, but it has been brought up before: Francis choked. Despite this, I'm willing to give him another shot, and another, and another. Talent like Francis' doesn't come along too often, and it takes the right coach to hone a player's potential into a winner (re: Phil, Shaq, and Kobe). On a side note, I'd keep him at PG, but get another PG to play SG and run the team from there SOMETIMES. Payton would've been absolutely perfect. I'd like to add that I'd trade Steve Francis in a deal for Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, Rasheed Wallace, or anyone with the same size and talent.
Farhan, what do you know about Steve and him playing for stats. Absolutly nothing. Fact of the matter is that i've been there. I've seen first hand that he is out for stats. So don't try to explain to me as if you know what you are talking about. And me calling him a "punk kid" is not about him getting into trouble. NIKEstrad, I would with out a doubt take a younger, more productive, more valuable, better basketball mind, in Elton Brand for little more or the same price than Steve. But other than the Co-Rookie of the Year debate I never compared the likes of the two. Not to mention Odom, Miller, and Maggette who have done just about as little as Steve as far as leading their teams. Don't bandwagon a conversation and point out meaningless tidbits of information to draw parallel to what i've said. All of this trifiling nonsense to nullify that you like Francis. You are reaching.
OK, riddle me this: Exactly how far into the playoffs (assuming you actualy get there) can you expect to go when your starting PG leads the league in turnovers?
At this point in his career, given his complete lack of playoff success (which I define as his complete lack of playoff appearances), there is NO way I'd be comparing Steve Francis with Magic or Oscar.
The question was what point gaurd made it not won it. And egn, what do you mean by you were there? I was there (at the compaq center) too. I watched all the games that i didnt go to on tv. So didnt miss a single game. And i gave you proof that he doesnt play for stats. When all the fans were telling steve that we need to get the ball into yao more, in the second half he did that. A big proof of that is his shot attemps went down from 17 to 12. Jason kidd even shoots more than that. Honestly, who would you rather let shoot more, Kidd or Francis. So given that fact he cant be a ball hog. Also our second half record was way worse than our first half record. It was during the first half when steve was a "ball hog" But hey we were in atleast the 5th seed at that time, but when the ffans where b****ing at steve to pass more too you and shoot less we lost games. Given that fact we need steve to score.
The Nets didn't lose in the Finals because Kidd had too many turnovers. Last season Stevie averaged 3.69 TOs per game In his first championship season, Magic averaged 3.96. In his second, 3.66. Third, 3.96, fourth 3.75, and fifth 3.74. ( Source: http://www.nba.com/history/players/johnsonm_stats.html ) I wish people would stop screaming about the TO's. Any player that handles the ball as much as Stevie will have a lot of them. What we should be more worried about is him forcing more turnovers.
We already accomplished on the last page that I quoted that directly from NBA.com. So it's the league comparing him to Magic and Oscar, not me. Again, I can't understand why a so-called "fan" of the Rockets doesn't want to see one of their star players praised by the experts.....
Before the half last season, Steve made a quote in the paper after word had gone around that he was out for his stats. He replied to Feigen's questioning by saying "i'm not all about my numbers, i'm all about the team". The very next game, that night, just befor half time, the opposing player came down to shoot a weak half court shot as time expired. Steve jumped and got a piece of the shot and the buzzer sounded. Halftime. Instead of going to the locker room Francis headed to the scorers table. Why? To let them know he got a piece of that ball and wanted credit for the block. I know because I was there, that night versus Minnesota, behind the scorers table. The impression has staind my mind. I for one will never look a Francis any other way than just a "punk kid" Why do you bring up thngs that i'm not even trying to discuss (i.e. "ballhog"). And his "shots went down from 17 to 12", from when to when. From the season proir to Yao to the season with Yao. If so, his shot count needed to go down to create room for Yao's shots. My argument has never changed in that Steve is still the same player as he was when he joined the leage four years ago. He has not improved one facet of his game. His point totals have gone up due to the fact that he has played more minutes. The numbers are virtually identical from year to year.
steve never earned his nickname. it was given to him in his rookie year just cause it was really cute and all how it sounded like his last name. if his last name was "jones" than i highly doubt he would be the "franchise". im not saying francis is bad. 21/6/6 are very impressive #'s, but as a leader and a "franchise" player he is a huge disappointment. a real franchise player would be able to get his team into the playoffs at least once in 4 years. that is the bottom line kiddos. sure he puts up nice STATS, but isnt winning everything? he does a good job talking about what he needs to do, but he fails to make it happen. we heard last year how he sought out CEO's of major corporations to talk about leadership, how he went to jordan to talk about taking it to the next level, but he didnt have the mental capacity to put it into practice. and in this offseason he is saying the same stuff that he has been saying..."no more excuses, im the leader, blah blah" i for one am tired of the talk and i dont buy it anymore. untill he can show it to me on the court i dont really believe anything that the guy says in the offseason. he is no leader and he is certainly no franchise.
