ha ha ha, what if they did -- you are that impressed by 46 win seasons? Great for you. I could also say that for the Rockets, and now we are looking at a hypothetical 50 win team. Woopee, my hypothetical 50 win team is better than your hypothetical 46 win team It's actually 4 times. None of those times was in Jersey, where he was to be the man, and who Kidd took to the finals the next year while Stephon took the suns back to the lottery. Then you really should get off Marbury's jock. Because he was not winning games, either against Francis or the rest of the league. New York Knicks, 2004 39-43 Phoenix 2003 44-38 Phoenix 2002 36-46 New Jersey 2001 26-56 New Jersey 2000 31-51 New Jersey 1999 25-25 Minnesota 1998 45-37 Minnesota 1997 40-42 Do I need to explain to you why this record sucks? Right, he was on the cover of NBA ballers. He also carried Jersey to 40 games under .500 in 3 seasons. And he carried Phoenix back to the lottery. I thought winning was the only stat that mattered.
even if you don't like the him, I can't justify anyone booing are former guys when they come to the Toyota Center this year. Truly a class act by Steve, love him or hate him, he's got my respect and I hope he, Cat and Cato only have success in Orlando.
It doesn't matter because the team was winning. What was their potential? They weren't better than Memphis, they weren't even as talented as the Nuggets, but they still finished ahead of them. We would of of won one more game if Jim Jackson hit that shot, but we weren't going to upset them anyway. Who had the rookie of the year? Stoudamire, unlike Yao, got better as the year went on. Francis' teams will always beat Marbury' teams because Marbury's teams always underachieve. They were better at EVERY position but PG and C, so yes they were more talented. Pitiful! How many games did both those guys miss? At LEAST 40, right? Just looked it up they missed 37 combined games and Hakeem had his worse season as a Rocket, try harder.
Some people need to seperate Steve the person from Steve the player. Steve frustrated me as a player, but personally I had nothing against him. Steve is doing his charity here for Houstonians, that is a positive. He sent a huge thank you to the people of Houston, that is a positive. But people still want to bash the guy? The person? This board is just so negative about everything it is astounding.
Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. The way people talk about Steve you would think as soon as the season was over he had requested a trade or something. A guy that wanted nothing more than to continue to be a Houston Rocket deserves better. I was and still am for the trade, but I think the guy deserves a little more credit. And he is promoting a charity and he gets bashed for self-promotion
Is this the same poll as you mentioned here? Good god man, learn something about statistical sampling. An internet message board is never unbiased, or random, and even if it was 22 votes is nowhere near meaningful in any statistical sense. You "hammered down" nothing. No added meaning is given to your post by your poll over at RealGM. Have your own opinion all you want, feel free, but you insult our intelligence by attempting to cloak your biased opinion in the guise of some mandate of the people. It's weak.
That's what happens when people watch too much TV and not enough reality (and I'm not talking reality TV neither). It's pretty much like Will Smith is the Fresh Prince of Bellaire. Don't care if he's a robot killer, an alien killer, or Mohammed Ali. He's still the goofy Prince.
Uh guys...this doesnt seem much more than a marketing ploy for his foundation and Slamfest game. I love Stevie and I miss him, but since he was shipped away before the first year of his foundation posting an article like this is the best way to let people know about it and to get people involved. You guys didn't notice how the article switched from thanking Houston to details of his involvement here. 2/3 of it was nothing more than an advertisement. Im sure I'll get reprimanded(sp?) for this but it didnt seem 100% genuine on Steve's part?? But I could be wrong...? JB
That b*stard!!! How dare him in trying to get people involved in such a thing as charity. The more people show up, the more money for the needy. That is just not right!
Give it a rest. Steve was a Rocket and IS still doing somthing for this city. Don't care if he was the best/worse smartest/dumbest ex-Rocket that ever was, but he's no longer with the Rockets or plays in the city of Houston but he's still running this charity here. That show me heart and love for this city. He was a good Rockets and played with heart...sometimes not much else. He will be missed. Steve, good luck in Orlando. Do your best and let's see if the Rockets and Magic can repeat the 1994 finals. Of course with the same results!!!!!
Will some people ever stop questioning Stevie? It was obvious from the numerous interviews he did before he was traded that he loved Houston, the team, the fans, and didn't want to leave. It was also obvious from his TV segment on BET that he had much love for Houston. Give the guy a break. Yes he thanked the fans and publicized his charity. I guess some folks would rather that he took out TWO full page ads- one to thank the fans and another full page ad just to publicize the event. But then we would see a million posts on this board that said "Steve is wasting his Charity's money by putting out an extra ad when he could've just combined it with his other one". I was happy to see the ad and I bought tickets after seeing it b/c I think it will be fun and it will be for a good cause. And yes... I will give Steve a standing ovation when they introduce him for his Charity Game too.
- You said the difference was 1 win, while the difference was actually 4 wins. 4 wins, last year, was the difference between the 1st seed in the West and the 5th seed. It makes a difference. When it counted, Marbury put the team on his back and took them to the playoffs. After we beat them, Steve's stats dropped and so did the Rockets. I have no clue what you're trying to say with the hypothetical 50 win team stuff. - Ok, so he's been to the playoffs 4 times versus Francis' one. As for New Jersey, Jason Kidd himself couldn't have taken those teams to thep layoffs. Marbury only played with K-Mart for something like 60 games? Van Horn was always injured... Jamie Feick, Jason Williams, Kerry Kittles. Again, you know damn well it was a mess but you're trying to ignore it. - Marbury, on average, has won 36 games a season so far versus Francis' 39. I'll give you that. However, Marbury was a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger part of those 36 wins than Francis is of those 39 wins. Who was the best big man Marbury ever played with? How good were Marbury's teams, especially in New Jersey? Dont' blow off these questions. Tell me, really. Do you think Francis is a bigger part of his career records? Fact of the matter is, Francis' teams have been more talented. Marbury brings more wins to his team than Francis does. - More playoff games, more years in the NBA, been to the Olympics... You can't argue with facts. Tell me, did I say anything non-factual? Hasn't he appeared in more playoff games? Doesn't he have more years in the NBA? Isn't he in Athens right now? - Statistics are a way of measuring success. If you're asking if I said winning is the only statistic that matters, that's bull****. I said that I could care less about head-to-head records, I care about wins more than anything. If you want to judge how productive a player is in bringing his team any wins, you look primarily (but not exclusively) at statistics. It's not even close when it comes to statistics either. Marbury blows Steve away when it comes to PG stats. He's pretty much better at everything but rebounding. Stats are factual data. Have I posted any non-factual stats regarding Marbury? Please answer the question: Aren't Marbury's stat lines CLEARLY better than Francis', especially as a PG?
Playoff games aren't THE measure of a better player, but they are A measure of a good player. It's something one should always take into consideration, otherwise AbdurRahim and Elton Brand would be considered 1st-tier talent in the NBA. Experience is extremely valuable, and playoff experience is even better. Any argument there? The argument here is who wins more games for his team. Francis' has been succesful, but he has the organization to thank for that. Marbury was on 3 or 4 New Jersey teams... You remember the Nets? They had Sherman Douglas starting, they had Jim Mccilvane I think, they were "devastated" by the loss of JAMIE FEICK?? Hands down the worst team of the era, nothign Marbury or anyone outside of a dominant big man could do about it. BTW, your criteria of winning teams is interesting. Considering Marbury has a 25-25 record in the lcokout season and a 40-42 season in Phoenix I believe. When you count playoff appearances, you are counting how many times you were at least the 8th best team in your conference. When you count that 45 win season when we didn't make it, it doesn't matter really, because we were the 9th best team in the conference. If you were impressed by Steve's playoff numbers, look at Marbury's career playoff numbers. Look at the time when he had the Spurs shaking in their boots. Marbury has been to the first round 4 times, while Steve has made it once. Which means, Marbury makes it once very two tries, while Francis makes it once every 5 tries. I agree on your last point. Right now, he's no Marbury, btu once he gets to play HIS game HIS way, he'll improve. I don't know if he'll be able to average 9 assists or drop around 24ppg, but he'll still be damn good.
- If Memphis had the talent to win 50, then we did too. If Steve Francis is a MAX player, then we should've finished with 50 wins. - Stoudamire was not better than Yao, and still is not better than Yao. Stoudamire is not a clear favorite over Yao, especially not after last season. Look at his FG%, he still can't drive left, and he still can't hit a decent J. Stoudamire, if better than Yao, was only betetr by a whisker. let me repeat one thing though, I don't care if Francis' teams beat Marbury's teams. Francis' teams have had better records, but Francis has always had a better supporting cast. He cannot carry a team like Marbury. - Still, when it ocunted, at then end, they were the ones that kept the Rockets going, not Francis.
Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire. I know you Amare haters are going to jump in, but the fact is he did win ROY and he had a stronger finish to the season their rookie years.
No, it's not the same one. Taking a poll on an unbiased board is the best way to get these opinions. Fact of the matter is, most basketball fans consider Marbury the better player. How do you want me to prove it to you, if not by a poll? You want me to ask every single basketball fan? No, you take a sample, fro unbiased people. Meaning, NOT clutchfans. Definitely not people from Houston, because they are biased as well. I said that most people consider Marbury the better player. This is not a statement that can't be backed by facts. You may be one of the people than considers Francis better, but that doesn't mean there aren't more people against you.
I couldn't finish reading some of the crap y'all were writing about a class move by a player who loved calling Houston home. He didn't want to play in Vancouver. He didn't want to move to Orlando. Guess what? I don't want to, either! We all know it's a business in B-Ball. They understand they can be traded at anytime. I understand how he could be upset. I also remember Matt Bullard being furious about being traded, also. Don't see a lot of people b****ing about Bull being a whiny b****. They both loved the City of Houston. I have the utmost respect for that. Good Luck Stevie. You're welcome back here anytime, professionally, or otherwise.
Sane - I think that's about enough. The amount of contorting you are doing to trumpet the greatness of Phoenix' 44-38 8th seed season seem like a significant accomplishment betrays any degree of impartiality you may have had. You've also sufficiently derailed this thread at this point, just let all the people you think are unrelenting steve loving apologists who somehow fail to comprehend the glory of the magical 2003 phoenix suns seasons (or the 02 suns, the 04 suns, the 99-01 Nets etc) have their last few moments of delusional excess. You can go around and start a bunch of polls on other websites and be content in your perceptimus maximus. We're beyond you.
