I'm just gonna wait and watch. Nothing we say or do here will make a bit of difference on what Morey does. Que Sera Sera...whatever will be will be. If he comes great if not...good luck to him wherever he goes.
Thats the thing, to call Steve a cancer would be unfair. In NY, he just didn't fit, in Orlando he just didn't fit, but in those situations he didn't lash out or pull a Bonzi, he just wasn't playing at 100%. If you're not the number one guy you'll never play at 100%, but people still criticize him unfairly. Was Webber bad for Detroit? I hate CWebb, but believe me, at 1 mil a year I'd put up with him. SF3 wants to play where he'll retire, H-town is a good choice for him.
Umm Baron Davis had one good BREAKOUT year. Before this season, both of these guys were very similar in terms of talent. In fact, up until this season, Francis was regarded as the better player. Baron was always injured and even when he was not hurt, he didn't do anything special but score. You act like comparing Steve to Baron is a sin when these two are made from the same mold of scoring point guards. I think its a very good comparision. Give Steve a starting spot next season and he'll have a Baron Davis-like breakout year. Hell, I'd like to see Baron put up the numbers Steve did in Houston.
Hey I still hope we sign Steve Francis. I see why people feel both ways about him. Here's why I personally would like to see him back. Despite all the dribbling the cover off the ball which drove me crazy, he had guts and heart and LOVED this team. Loved it! He didn't have many options, if he passed to Cuttino (the black hole), the ball never came back. If he passed anywhere else, the ball never went in the bucket. I guess I understand why he dribbled so much some times. He loves Yao, wanted the best for him. He will want to defer to the big man (as he should). The playoffs against the Lakers, Stevie was huge. He seemed like single handedly he was willing to carry the team (he didn't have much choice-the rest of the team sucked). That one series showed me something in a player I have yet to see in Houston since. This team could really use that. He knows his career has taken a dive, he's not stupid. He wants to win, he could do that here. I think he would do whatever Adelman wanted him to do (so long as it's not too complicated). For limited minutes off the bench, at a ridiculously low salary, he IS moneyball---High potential reward at very low risk. If he is the cancer people fear, we just cut him out. But if he mans up and tries to polish his BB legacy, he could be a killer. Alston had his chance, I hope he never plays here again, he cannot shoot and cannot even pass into the post or drive at all. He is essentially useless. Francis and MJ aren't an ideal fit, but they are both HUGE talent upgrades to Alston and Lucas. Just my thoughts, thanks for reading 'em.
Ditto. I really don't like how people are complaining about how the SF supporters don't remember how bad SF and how we're infatuated with him. We do remember. Nobody is claiming SF is perfect, nobody is claiming there might not be problems with James and Francis fighting for PG minutes. The risk/reward is just too great to pass up for most of us. The only caveat I have is that it's really Adelman's call. From Morey's moneyball standpoint, this should be an insane steal and he should go after it. But if Adelman doesn't think he can handle the egos of Bonzi, James, and Francis, then I'd understand and wish Francis the best over in LA.
baron davis put up numbers in the playoffs that steve would have trouble even close coming to. In addition to having the athletic ability that steve does, his bb iq and passing ability have always been superior. Baron Davis' career suffers from a plague of injuries, francis' suffers from a poor attiude.
I love your argument but it doesn't hold water. Why would Phoenix go and get Grant Hill? They don't need him. So why not the Rockets just stock up on talent too.
The fans have spoken in this poll. Bring back Steve Francis for the LLE. Almost 2/3's of fans want it done. Do it Morey, that's the final piece to the championship.
actually id rather have the Mike James + Rafer combo than Mike James + Francis. Rafer is the only pure passing point guard out of the three and Mike James is better than Francis right now. If Isaih benched Francis for dribbling too much, what makes you think Adelman will be any different?
Rafer Alston doesn't create shots for anyone. Rafer Alston chucks up 3's at a low percentage more than anyone IN THE NBA Rafer Alston CANNOT get to the basket and finish. Rafer Alston gets burned on defense worse than Francis even has. Time to let the pet player find another team to screw up. All of the love for the guy and he only had a good game every once in awhile.
Rafer is still our only TRUE point guard. he pushes the ball up, runs the team, and gets the ball in the right player's hands. also he actually knows how the run a fast break, something francis could NEVER do.
I agree. Rafer Alston is a much more disciplined player. Rafer Alston runs a team as a point guard much better. Rafer Alston plays much better defense (the 2nd last line was just false). I could do the same with Head and James (a little bit Alston, a little bit Francis, but much more controled/smarter than Francis). Basically there is no way you could guarantee Francis PT over Alston, James and Head. Now I am fine for Francis for the LLE. But it would really only make sense if Head, James or Alston was traded for a better reason (like acquiring a proven PF).
Ok fair enough, but its pointless if he can't make any shots. His shooting percentages are worse than Francis's and he can't even create a shot for himself. He just misses jumpers and takes bad teardrops or rainfalls or rainbows or whatever you call those idiot shots. He doesn't have to do anything. The offense runs through Yao and TMac. If you call brnging the ball past the half court line "running the team" then mission accomplished. But I have a suspicion Steve Francis could do that. Second, Adleman's offenses dont require true point guards. The offense flows through movement generated from all players, not exclusively the point guard. This isn't Phoenix's offense that runs exclusively through Nash. This is a system of 5 player movement. Look at Bibby when Adelman was in Sacramento. He just moved off of screens to get jumpers or cut to the basket. There wasn't any real management on his part. In fact Bibby's assist numbers went down when he moved to Sacramento because the offense was different. Hell no.. Seriously absolutely not true. Francis actually could play some defense back in the day. And he doesn't get posted up by every guard in the league. Francis isn't nearly the turnstile on defnese thant Alston is. He's just more physical. Plus, Francis is probably the 2nd best rebounding point guard in the league after Jason Kidd, which plays big dividends on a team that needs some more rebounding. Of course, but we're assuming that if we were to get Francis, one or more of those guys is gone. Obviously, plus we dont really have any money anymore after the Scola and Butler deal. But to say Alston is a better fit is ludicrous.
We did just pick up a PG in the draft. In case you haven't been paying attention he's quick and has great court vision. I know its just the summer league but how much easier is it to pass too Yao and Tracy instead of Harris and Novak?
I think under Adelman's offense Alston is somewhere around 20-25 in NBA point guards. In a historical context this is nowehere near good enough for a team that wants to win a championship. I believe it is that simple. He is not good enough as a starter nor as the primary backup if Mike James is all that is in front of him. He's comparable to Vaughn in San Antonio but Vaughn is a backup that plays VERY limited minutes. That's because of Tony Parker. Mike James is not good enough to win a championship if he plays Parker minutes. James/Alston simply is not good enough to win a championship from a talent perspective. Francis/James however is.
