Steve: Draft Ming and I am out of here

I call bull**** on this as well.

It's all posturing and smoke screens to try to drvie up the trade value of the #1 pick.

However, if Francis really feels that way, then he needs to pack his bags because his ass isn't the damn GM and I'm getting sick and tired of his horsesh!t!

 

I think this whole thing is about bargaining power. If you reveal your cards too early, you are not bringing yourself into the best bargaining position imaginable.

Imagine this: If Houston knew for sure that Chicago would take Jay Williams if they had the No. 1 - then what bargaining power would they have with the Bulls if the Bulls can be sure that Houston will take Ming? None, because for the Bulls it would not matter whether they pick at No. 1 or No. 2 - they would get their man anyway (the Bulls already have a bunch of big guys, but they are lacking a top PG) (=> Houston would have revealead its cards too early in this scenario).

On the other hand, if Chicago has to be scared that Houston might take Jay Williams and we know FOR SURE that Chicago WOULD take Jay Williams at No. 1, then we could put them under pressure even if, in reality, we already had our minds set to Ming - we could tell them "We are taking Williams - but we know you really want him. What do you offer us for the rights to Williams?" (=> in this scenario, Chicago would have revealed its cards too early). Then we could swap picks with them, STILL get our man Ming and probably squeeze something of considerable value out of them (let's say a late first-rounder next year or something like that).

So, if I was Houston, I would leak conflicting information to different sources. Therefore, it is possible that someone told Troy's source some stuff. It is also possible that they told DocRocket that. Or, Doc Rocket knows but plays along .

In my opinion, it's all about negotiation tactics. This does not mean that the Rockets are not interested in Ming.






I completely agree with Sir Jackie on this one because so many teams have used this tactic in the past. If we pick or pretend to pick Jwill at #1 Chicago would draft Ming at #2 then they would have Curry/Chandler/Ming and Chandler/Ming is pretty repetetive and if they draft Williams he can help improve them so much. Of course Chicago coud also trade Ming or #2 rights for a proven PG. It's all mind games right now so I say we all take a deep breath and chill. In the end everythng will be kool.

 

shoot.. Can somebody teach me how to Bold and give credit to original poster? sorry bout that sir jackie.

 

I'm in love with Achebe.

I must fess up now. Last year at the trade deadline the Dream trades were getting out of hand, and Doc was pulling all the strings. Clutch had an informative Doc thread going, and 2 pages into I said that I had a source and there was a Dallas trade:

Dream for Bradley, Laettner and Donnell Harvey

within 20 minutes Clutch rushed in and said, "No way, this is not real. Dallas is NOT talking," and so I thinks, of course not, I've always told you I had no sources and I always said I hate Dreamcasting. And the next thing I now he posts, "Just got an email from Doc who says new developments; Dallas is real."

I really....honestly....never meant for it to be taken seriously, as I alway time and time again told the board I had zero sources. How could anyone believe I was serious? Well, can't really say "Gotcha" at that point, as it kinda would just piss everyone off... So I had to keep up the charade. Hell, why not.

But I can say it now!!!

'stand here for a moment for me, will ya?'

Doc will agree with anything, or I nailed a trade out of thin air.

 

We are all tools.....





































































of misinformation

 

HP,
Damn, first you call out pops and then you call out doc. Maybe your right but damn is there anyone else of any importance you want to throw under the bus before tonight is over.

BTW, you have sort of brought me around...a little. At least I am starting to question myself a little after reading all of the threads. I still think there is more hoops to this whole situation than you will admit or open your eyes to, but maybe not as much as I originally believed.

 

Francis for Ming and Williams? Wow... thats pretty wicked.

 

Okay Troy, explain to me how Francis could've thought for a second that the Rockets wouldn't seriously consider Ming if we got the #1 pick? He seemed pretty damn excited when we did get it. This is just not feasible.

Has anyone noticed differences in Francis and Mobley's thinking since Sunday? I mean, first, Stevie says "we don't need a point guard." He never said nothing about SG or Cuttino. Also why is Francis so hesitant to give his opinion of Ming and Cat blurts out, "I want Ming." Are they in an argument or something?

 

If this is a legit stance from Francis, I'm on the phone immediately with Jerry Krause asking for the #2 for him. Ming at 1, Williams at 2, and Les gets rid of the Francis headache (pun very much intended) and saves tens of millions of dollars in the process.

 

I've chimed in on this before and I'm not calling anyone a liar, but I still wouldn't understand why Francis would want Williams after he didn't want to play sg in memphis. Its not really impossible to think of, but the chicago deal makes no sense. They can sit status quo and still get their man regardless. I f Krause is dreaming of Curry-Chandler-Ming frontline why would he negotiate with Houston. If houston takes Ming, he could go for his pg in williams. Either way they have who they wnt at number 2.

 

I do not think Francis (if reports are true) meant that he wanted Jay Williams as a teammate. He probably thinks they can get more trade value for him oppose to Ming (due to china).

 

Can someone give me a link to this?

 

every single article ive read...on espn. in the houston chronicle. in the new york post. every radio interview ive heard with rudy and carroll all lead me to believe we are going to draft ming. im sorry but i just dont believe the majority of the rumors i read on here. no matter who they are from, oilypear and Rocter Docket included. ive heard stuff from those guys that just doesnt make sense. we are trying to trade the #1 pick for kevin garnett or odem and olawakhandi? the last three days carroll dawson has been saying how extremely unlikely it is that he will trade the pick.
a couple years ago we were going to trade for antwawn jamison. i mean i dont know guys. im just very skeptical of most of the stuff i hear on here until i see the mainstream media verify it. if in the next few days i see an article saying francis is leaving if we pick ming, ill shut my ugly face. but right now im in hard core doubt of everything in this thread. i dont think we are even considering jay williams. i think ming is a sure thing. if we wave goodbye to the migraine man so be it. but i doubt that will happen.

Principal Skinner: "Oh cmon, Edna we both know these children have no futures!"

...everyone turns and looks at him in shock...

Principal Skinner: "Prove me wrong kids. PROVE ME WRONG!"

 

For everyone out there who read this thread and now hates Steve Francis, please wait.

Let's see if the rumor turns out to be true before we start hating the guy. Don't start hating our most valuable player yet.

After all he was concerned enough to represent the team at the draft, and has previously said he will sign the full seven year extension. That much we KNOW is FACT. So please don't disregard the FACT and start hating based on the RUMOR.

You may all still get the chance to hate, but please wait to see if the RUMOR becomes FACT.

 

Some of you seem to think we are going to ship Francis to Chicago for Jay Williams. what the ****. yeah what a great idea keep trading for rookies every year. eventually one of them will win the MVP in their first season and lead us to the promiseland. shut the hell up. and about these damn sources...who? well my sources (the guy on the side of 7/11 smoking a crack pipe) says we are going to trade the picks for Odom. what do u think about that? stupid...eh? Did anyone have a one-on-one convo with Franchise? One thing I know for sure is that Francis left Vancouver/Memphis because there were two point guards on the team. There is no way we are drafting Jay Williams with the #1. If anything Francis should be siked about having Ming on the team. We are talking skyrocketing team value. team jerseys will sell like hotcakes. the asian community will be all over tix. The fanbase will grow when we show up with Ming to San Francisco or New York. Games broadcast in China (we all know steve likes to show off in front of national coverage). his jersey will sell in china. I salivate and cringe at the opportunity to draft Ming. He will do wonders for the teams image but he might also not be as advertised. The best deal for the Rox to make is a deal that will ship a couple of players #1 & #15 to the clips for Odom, Olawakandi #8 and #12. What you guys are probablly hearing out of the organization is a bunch of smokescreens. They know there is mass media covering them and their selection. they know that teams are calling to coddle their way into a deal that lands them that pick. Maybe Francis is doing exactly what the franchise wants him to do...create controversy to make the pick ever more valuable and teams a little more at ease about giving up certain equities because they see there might be a chance at landing the 7'5" marketing masterpiece. You won't hear it publically...because of fear Ming or chinese gov't might get a hold of this information. So where do u get your info...from moles who are in on the smokescreen plot...a.k.a. "your sources"

 

Originally posted by finalsbound
Cat blurts out, "I want Ming."

He said it on Fox26 news last night. That wasn't his exact quote; he said something like,

Reporter: "So what do you feel the Rockets need to add to the team?"

Cat: "Height."

Reporter: "Anyone specific in mind?"

Cat: (smiles sheepishly) "Ming."

Man, he sounded like he really wanted him. Then Mo spoke very glowingly about him, and Moochie was on there too.

 

If we were really evil, we could give him our word, then draft ming anyways. Then trade STeve (after he has signed) hahahahahahahhahaha

 

There's a lot of negativity coming towards Steve Francis for a stupid RUMOR. This guy makes us a credible playoff contender every year given the injuries and the lack of depth that we have.

Yes, he and Cat have to learn to pass the ball, but he's giving his all during the game. If he was such a nutcase and tried to hold the team hostage, CD and Rudy would've been less inclined to pull the trigger to get him. He also knows that he haven't made the playoffs ever, no matter what the excuse is.

Yeah, the rumor plays off of Steve's nasty insecurity complex, but if he's really a 'team player' as he says he is, he'll know what a strong inside presence does to a team... just like the Lakers.

I'd take this "news" as a grain of salt since Steve's been trying so hard on his PR and pulling such a move would ruin any chance of getting a spot for the next two Olympics...

 

Interesting Clutch. I wonder what the video issues were; for some reason I'm imagining a bunch of grumpy guys stuck in some hot room having to do a stupid spot over and over .

The fact that you haven't heard anything yet, would that lead you to be dubious about TroyBaros' claim then? Has there been anything in the past that would suggest Steve being, somewhat errrr.... random, like this?

Also (if I read you correctly; I'd go back and check but the Rico burrito just binged) your comment that he (Francis) wasn't completely averse to drafting Williams is intriguing. You'll have to share those details after the draft.