Thus, it was his choice to reap the consequences of his actions. Nobody told him he had to do what he did, it was "his choice" to not respect others around him, and the country that so graciously gives him "his choice". I always love hearing about the "rights" of the individual. And yet those individuals are the first one to cry foul play when they don't have any respect for the country or for those that gave them that "right". I don't think it is his right, I think it is his opinion. We all have the right to our own opinion, but we must expect to accept the ramifications as well. I don't care if he doesn't want to salute my flag, I don't care that he feels that he as been "oppressed". I don't give a flying rats ass what the hell happens to him either....if he doesn't want to be a part of this country, then I don't want any part of him either. But, that's just my opinion..."one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Or would you prefer something in Russian or Chinese? I hear they're paying their players really well these days. And anyone who believes that is a FREAKING PINKO WHO PROBABLY VOTED FOR GORE! I'm editing this, becuase I do not want to confuse my opinion as one in protest of other religious beliefs. To each his/her own. There are many beliefs around the world, each one is the correct one in each eye. This was not an issue of religious belief. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness. [This message has been edited by Curly (edited February 07, 2001).]
Zenchen, yeah, like in wars. a lot of poeple feel that America is killing people all the time. Here's a link to a very feisty UT journalism prof who feels that way. http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/freelance.htm Anyway, I don't care what Stevie and Cuttino do to the American flag. Let's play ball! ------------------
Yeah good point Curly. So I guess your saying "if you don't agree with America get out". The very basis of our government is disagreeing with it. By saying people who dissagree should leave, you are undermining our constitution, and therefore disagreeing with it and our country, so by your own terms need to go to russia. Why don't you take a history class or something, quit surfin the net and talking smack like and undereducated moron. ------------------ [This message has been edited by fromobile (edited February 07, 2001).]
If you are an American citizen, you should care. If your not, then no problem. I would not know any words to other countries anthems beyond "O Canada". But I would at least rise and be respectfully silent during that countries acknowledgement. While it angers me when citizens of this country can not even recite a few words of allegance to America, or fake like they know the words to the national anthem, I at least respect them for their silence while I pay my respect. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
???? what did that mean? What were you just talking about? It's not like Rauf mooned the audience, he just didn't want to participate. Please clarify. ------------------
Why don't you get a little mobile and read about how slavery and oppression was in existence all over the world long before anyone set foot on this continent. Do that on your way to the wellfare line. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
Ok, you are my new favorite person on this board, because you are completely insane. ------------------
That was rude...I apologies...for one, we've gotten way away from the topic of the Rockets, and I don't really like personal attacks, it's not my style so for that I apologize to you mobile. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
Its not all about that money, that argument does stink, I agree I didn't realize that he doesn't stand up for his other games...In any nation, its never perfect, and I don't mean to be naive, BUT who did we kill that pissed him off that much? Why are people keep on turning back to the slavery days and cry about it? Are you a freekn slave? or are you living the high life? AND are there any slaves now in the states? Our democracy has come along way since the slavery days...Why don't some people get over it and move on already...I know its a tragic part of our american history...I feel horrible about it...but there are some things you have to get over with... [This message has been edited by ChenZhen (edited February 07, 2001).]
if i'm an american citizen i should care? how do you figure, curly? because i'm a citizen i should care if someone chooses not to proclaim his respect for the flag on demand? that's ridiculous. again, this guy never stood out and made some long, inflammatory speech. he made his own personal choice. as for suffering the ramifications, you're assuming it's correct to punish someone for that action. i, for one, feel it is wrong to punish someone for that action. he still pays his taxes, right? that's enough homage "paying" for me right there. i'm giving the government MY damn money. there's your respect, curly. sheesh. so, do as i say, not as i do, and if you don't respect me for it, i'll punish you. and this is right? open your horizons a little, curly, please.
that's not an attack, I'm in awe. It's all good. Go read some of those articles in that link I posted. I doubt Steve and Cuttino were being disrespectful, though. ------------------
chenzhen, i don't believe his protest was some calling to action against the us. it was a PERSONAL thing. to say to "get over it" is to forget about your history. that is one thing you should never lose, nor forget. as for your comment about "are you a slave (paraphrased)"...that's a question in need of definition. we all are, to an extent. is there slavery? ask nike. again, this is not some "charged" protest. it is one man paying homage to his past. it is not forgetting their sacrifices, despite his successes.
Verse...this is for you...and not in a sarcastic tone either. Let me explain in a barbaric way (that seems to be my only way of thinking)...I look at it as if I invited someone into my home, fed them, gave them shelter, and then they turn around and criticize me for overcooking their meat, and a pillow that was too hard. If they didn't like it, maybe the meat and pillows are better at the house next door. I don't mind that they stay next door, but I'm going to be pissed if they tell me that my house sucks. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
I see...BUT the way I view slavery is this...if you will always have hate and animosity towards America for what it did to your ancestors to the past, when will you ever move on? Its all about forgive and forget...not necessarily forget but you know what i'm saying.. ------------------
Actually it was bought from the previous owners...they actually made a profit off of the house...damn that Capitalist American Way. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
Dude, Rauf isn't from another country! He used to be named Chris Jackson. Steve and Cuttino are not from other countries. What is this "invite into your house" stuff? You didin't invite anyone, they were born here. You have derailed! ------------------
furthermore, what if they raised & slaughtered that cattle for you, leaving you the task to cook and serve it? effort went into the task by both people - the house "owner" and the "guest". better believe that guest is going to be jaded, however. especially if the "owner" has the attitude that the "guest" should be oh so gracious for being afforded the "opportunity" to raise and slaughter that cattle only to receive the hind flank.
chenzhen, you're missing my point. it's not HATRED towards one group. it's respect for your own and what they endured. you forgive and forget in the sense that i DONT hate anyone today. but i do remember my ancestors and won't respect a symbol of the very past that hurt them. the reason for no outward, loud protest is because not everyone today is like that. so you protest peacefully and silently. much like a moment of silence. am i making sense, or is it gettin way too late for me to be up?
