Stern: Deal By Tuesday Or No Games Through Christmas

If I had one of them twitter things, I'd at least follow you.

 

What facts dictate additional compromise from the players? If they have already gone this far why should they back down now? That argument basically boils down to what the owners think....that these guys will fold once they start missing checks. The owners have more leverage from a financial standpoint but that doesn't mean any facts dictate that the players should fold. If they think the deal is a bad one for them and future generations of players then they should show resolve and hold firm. That's exactly what the owners and everyone else thinks they aren't strong enough to do, which is why the owners think they can force them to take a bad deal.

 

Point well taken. But I think the fact that the two sides are (apparently) close enough to compromise on the BRI split (the single biggest issue from the union's standpoint) leads one to the logical conclusion that the UNION has all the power--regardless of system--to divide up any excess BRI over otherwise lower player salaries. If the union would even bother to seriously discuss how it would handle such potentially massive inflows, perhaps there would be enough of a consensus to vote in favor of a 50-50 split that the owners can live with.

 

NBA owns the Hornets.
As commissioner of the NBA, he is representing the Hornet's owner(NBA).

Eventually, the league could be potential owners of other small market money losers(Timberwolves, Cavaliers, etc). He is looking out for the best interests of the owner(NBA) by allowing him to sell the Hornets and avoiding having to take over more "under the salary cap" unsustainable money losers.

 

The top 10 salary teams last year are with their finished records:
1.Lakers (4 tied)
2. Magic (8)
3. Spurs (2)
4. Celtics (6)
5. Blazers (10)
6. Hawks (13)
7. Heat (3)
8. Mavs (4 tied)
9. Bulls (1)
10. Knicks (15)

Only two of the top 10 spending teams didn't finish in the top 10. Looks like high salary does means more successful teams.

 

No it does not, but it would be ridiculous to say that high payroll teams dont have a significant advantage over low payroll teams.

 

Which is why you need a hard cap or a signficant step towards one to stop teams that can afford to go over from having a significant competitive advantage, and forcing smaller market teams to not be able to compete.

There is a reason the NFL works and teams like Green Bay can compete......revenue sharing, and salary caps.....then it becomes who has the better front office, and I would like to be in that position with Daryl Morey running the show.

DD

 

I'd like to say you're right, but i found my passion waning last season. If a full season is removed and i'm no longer nustled to the teat of the nba, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I never go back to the way I was.

I might catch a game here or there, but no more 82 and hopefully a few

 

Who cares about the NBA?

 

How can people talk about walking away from the NBA because of this? What you are walking away from is the Houston Rockets. That, to me, trumps all. Yes, I'm angry, and yes, if this continues I will be far angrier than I am now, but to blow off the Rockets? I can't even wrap my brain around the notion. Some of you need to be patient and let this play out. Hell, what else can we do? We can complain, we can be angry, we can write letters and the like to express our anger, we can not get season tickets for a year (those lucky enough to still live in Houston and can afford them), we can blow off League Pass and NBATV, both of which I've been paying for for years now, so I won't miss a game, we can stop buying NBA gear for a year, unless it's an old classic Rockets jersey or something similar. There's a lot that we, in our thousands, can do to hurt the NBA, the owners, and even the players, who I personally have more sympathy for.

Blow off the Rockets? Never!

 

I always knew Stern was the Grinch.

 

Look, I already get very pissed off every time I see "journalists" take quotes out of context to sell a story. I want my headlines to be a reflection of the article, not to be against it.

So it's very disappointing to see a fellow clutchfan member do the same just for the sake of stirring up Stern hate. At least I think that was his intention, for otherwise I don't understand such an easily misunderstood thread title.

 

How many of those are truly big market teams? Lakers/Celts/Bulls/Knicks.

OKC/Memphis/Miami/Dallas (moreso b/c of Cuban) were the final 4 teams, and 3 of them are not considered big market teams. Miami just got lucky b/c Bron and Bosh chose them.

Furthermore, Magic got better through the draft w/ DH. Spurs ALWAYS built through the draft. Blazers/Bulls got better through the draft.

You can go to the MLB for more proof that spending more money do not always guarantee success, unless they spend wisely.

 

Not even remotely relevent.

The NBA is a one man makes a difference league, baseball is not....

20% of your lineup is how much of a difference one makes makes in the NBA...that is MASSIVE.

DD

 

Look at MLB. Texas/Cards/Mil/Detroit are the final 4 teams.

If money rules everything, the Knicks would be competitive every year. But they have sucked for more than a decade.

 

Ok, consider who are the best teams in the NBA next year.

Explain OKC/Memphis' success this past year, and years to come.

"To me, it's not about who has the most chips," Wade added. "I think it's about who manages their chips the right way. That's why I think we have a management problem. Small markets have won championships. San Antonio is a very small market and they have four championships in the last 10 years or whatever the case may be. So I don't know how you ever fix it unless you have realistic goals. It has to get a little more realistic and right now, it's not."

Money don't mean squat if teams spend it stupidly.

 

Right because teams and owners intentionally spend money stupidly...

Wow.....

BTW SanAntonio obviously has a good scouting team. They got their franchise piece in Duncan after tanking....

In hindsight, do you really think giving 14 mil to Richard Jefferson last year was a good idea?

 

Kevin Durant #2 pick
James Harden #3 pick
Russel Westbrook #4 pick
Jeff Green #5 pick turned into KPerk

Sounds like good scouting.
What impact free agent did they sign for a bargain? Oh thats right.....


As far as Memphis goes, the success of that team is largely in part due to their leader Zach Randolph. Obviously the very large risk for them paid off. In most cases it doesn't. See a correlation? Memphis is smart with their signing because of their success while other teams who took equal to dare I say, better risks are wallowing in bad contracts. Is that what you mean by spending smart?

You can't always easily gauge a players drive, durability, work ethic, ect. That is why the idea of guaranteed contracts are hurting owners everywhere. Players are just as accountable as owners in regards to signings. Isn't that obvious?

 

The owners are doing the right thing, they need a hard cap or significant penalties if they go over.

It is for the good of the game and the league.

DD