1. He was the main option on a crappy warriors team, and in many games, the PG. Counting last year, he has a career average of 2.5 TO's a game... Not too bad for what he brings imo. 2. Things always go good in Houston., We have created a winning enviroment...If we can handle Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson is a cake walk. 3. I simply disagree. He will be just as good when he is 33-34, and he will be a VERY valueable expiring contract anyways. 4. 100% wrong. He has played solid defense with Nelly, and his shooting %'s are not that bad at all. He shoots A TON of threes, resulting in the lower %. What really matters is his PPS, in which he was the 13th SF in the league last year... 13th!!! Ahead of some good players... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...one&qual=true&season=2009&seasontype=2&pos=sf Rumor/Bad research debunked...
If I had a dime for every single time that you've mentioned KG's name here or in the NBA Dish I would be a very, very rich man. You could rival bizzlerocket and his 30 other aliases with his Yao obsession. As for point #2, I carefully chose the word 'naive' for a reason. By still banking on this "build around Yao AND Tracy" approach you are displaying an incredible lack of experience and judgment on the matter. How is it not clear by now that these two are NEVER going to be healthy together? It's debilitating. We tried the JVG approach to this strategy by surrounding them primarily with shooters. That didn't work. We tried the Morey/Adelman approach of surrounding them with speed, athleticism and upside. That hasn't worked. Now here we are: Yao likely out for the season and T-Mac in the final year of his contract -- a contract that makes him primetime trade bait. Knowing all of this, how can you possibly rationalize that building around a core of these two -- or in this case: adding a player that you KNOW doesn't fit but serves the "win now" function-- is the right direction to pursue? You know, we tried this rogue "we know he doesn't fit, but we'll make it work because we want to win now" approach with Artest and it didn't work until T-Mac and Rafer were removed from the equation. Captain Jacko plays and carries an ego much like Artest's. Players that take bad shots, dominate the ball and kill movement are the anti-Adelman. I'll be anxiously awaiting your two sentence response once you're done running circles around me.
We could use a guy like Jack this year, but beyond that, he's just not worth it. I think AI on a min deal could have worked, but I would want no part of Jack's contract. Ellis is interesting though. Cook and Battier for Ellis could work. Talk about a lightning fast backcourt, Brooks and Ellis would cause all kinds of problems for opposing teams. I'd hate to lose Battier, but I wonder how much he really has left in the tank and I wonder how he'll fit on a run and gun type team. I don't think there's any doubt that this team as currently assembled will struggle a little offensively. I guy like Ellis would be a great step in the right direction in remedying that.
Do you calculate PPS by dividing his points total to his FG attempt total without regard of the fact that sometimes his points were scored off of FTs? I am trying to figure how how that is a good measure of scoring efficiency when it ignores how many FTs one attempts. .
SJ is a good player,he has pros and cons like anyone else. If Yao and Mcgrady were fit and if he was available as a replacement for Artest,he could have been considered,with the only major drawback as to the length of his contract. We should be rebuilding instead of this patchwork of half-rebuilding,half-contention. We need youth and picks. A 31 year old S.Jackson can't help us,even if he was bought out,which is unlikely anyway. If Dallas wants him,Nelle should ask for a good player instead of looking for cap relief or a low 1st rounder. I know what I'm writing now,will seem like I'm digressing but what I'm trying to emphasize is our need to rebuild. Even our vets are of limited value for us,without Yao and Tracy. DM needs to look for trades,but expecting a star for Luis plus Shane is a near impossibility. The inability of getting someone of real value for McGrady is a big problem right now,his expiring contract is not likely to yield a young talent and or picks. At the most we can get an underachieving player who should be doing better than what he is doing.
Saleem, I agree, but Yao is going to be a rocket for as long as he wants and that's ashame. That's the plan as piss poor as some might think. I've been proposing the same package for tracy for a while. I've also added in the battier and cook deal since we have ariza now. I think a team with Brooks-Jackson-Ariza-Scola-Camby as starters and Lowry-Maggette-Landry-Turiaf off the bench has a really goood chance to win the southwest division this yr. They would matchup well with anyone and would have upgraded their end to end speed,rebounding and shot blocking. Yao comes back next yr and those guy would still be in place and if they wanted to, would have some talent they can trade if they choose.
He be great IF Tmac and yao is healthy. However since Rox is moving a different direction, I pass. Monta Elis however is a different story. A back court of him and AB will be the smallest in the NBA and the most explosive as well.
Unless of course the thread topic WAS KG, I do not recall bringing him up in this fashion...Anyway, who cares? You do! I am flattered... Let the circles begin... 1. It is NOT about building around Tracy and Yao. These are different circumstances than usual. Yao is a Rocket for life, unless his injury turns out to be the end of him, do you agree? So, NO MATTER WHAT, we are building around Yao, and that is a fact. 2. How is it not clear? Because IT IS NOT CLEAR, IT IS THE FUTURE. ANYTHING can happen. McGrady could come back black Jesus for the next 5 years, WHO KNOWS? It IS possible that they DO get healthy at the same time, and honestly, we might not have a better option at this point to win a ring, because trading Tracy is not going to do it. (OK, If it can, HOORAY!) 3. Tracy=primetime tradebait? I kind of doubt it, but I have always said that if we can get a star/superstar in return, pull the trigger. 4. I have already rationalized it. Rick Adelman has done some AMAZING things when you talk about overall depth of a roster. 5. Artest did not work until Rafer and Tracy were out of the picture? Hmm, I think I disagree with that. We never even saw Tracy and Ron healthy through the first half of the season. I mean, Ron was on a bum ankle, and Tracy was walking up and down the court. We just never got to see it in action. But, Stephen Jackson is not the same player as Ron, He is unselfish...Check the pedigree... Rafer just sucked... 6. Captain Jack is a proven winner, played well in multiple systems, been successful as a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th option on contending teams, plays solid defense, plays incredibly hard, is incredibly competitive, has balls of steel like Vernon Maxwell, and has a great IQ to top it off. He is not close to as big a knucklehead as Ron is, and his "ego" is also not CLOSE to that level of crazy... And here is the main reason I would like Stephen Jackson. It could easily free us up to deal Tracy for an upgrade at either the PG or PF positions. If we grabbed Jackson for almost nothing, and Tracy turned out to be a turd, we would be in a nice position imo. I am basing this opinion on my belief that Stephen Jackson is a perfect compliment to Yao. He is tall for entry passes, better passer than most SF's, and he can shoot the 3 and play defense. I think Adelman can control any instability that he has. So now we have an all around SG for 3 years before his contract becomes valueable as an expiring. Imagine a core of... Yao Ming Luis Scola Stephen Jackson Trevor Ariza etc etc Plus an "all-star/superstar" that we (might) be able to get with McGrady+Landry+Brooks+ who knows? But if McGrady comes back on a mission, we might want to take a look at the "Hometown discount"...and bring Jackson off the bench as the 6th man, Like Ginobili or Terry...
This is why I think Tracy "might" be here to stay. maybe if he comes back dominating we can fool someone in to giving us something worthwhile.
Not scoring efficiency I think, just shooting efficiency. It is not about the actual point total, but the supposed "quality" of the shot I believe. You can kind of get an idea by looking at the list and seeing who is on top. * PPS: Points Per Shot = PTS/FGA ^ AFG%: Adjusted FG Percentage = [(PTS - FTM)/FGA]/2 ADJFG% measures shooting efficiency by taking into account the total points a player produces through his field goal attempts. The intention of this adjustment is largely to evaluate the impact of three-point shooting. For ex: If Shaquille O'Neal has 3-5 FG, all two-point shots for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600. Meanwhile, if Ray Allen is 2-5 FG, but his 2 FGM are both three-pointers for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600
Ten pages long, let me just say that Stephen Jackson is my least favorite player in the league and I hope his name isn't even in consideration for the Rox roster.
Moore returning west as a Warrior After a half-season stint with the Boston Celtics, Mikki Moore is going back to the West Coast. Moore's agent, Mark Bartelstein, told ESPN.com on Monday that the free-agent center agreed to a one-year contract with the Golden State Warriors over the weekend. Moore's deal is for the $1.3 million, the veteran minimum. He signed with the Celtics in March after negotiating a buyout with the Sacramento Kings after the trading deadline but struggled to make an impact with the Celtics, averaging only 1.5 points and 1.5 rebounds in 6.6 minutes in the playoffs. Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. It would appear GS is ready to throw Jacko a going away party.
S-Jax ---> old Ellis ---> defensive liability Can't see Morey making moves on either of those guys. You guys have to be a little more patient until Morey brings us a real star we can build around for years. Just lay back and enjoy Rick Adelman's motion offense this coming season. It will be fun if we underdogs can steal some wins from LA and SA. Go Rockets!
Here we go folks, the best of the Jacko/Battier/T-Mac/R.Fernandez summer trade ideas! Three team trade (that could really be 2 seperate trades); Houston, GS, Portland Houston receives: Stephen Jackson(SF) - GS Monta Ellis (PG) - GS R. Fernandez (SG) - Portland T. Outlaw (SF) - Portland GS receives: T-Mac (SG) - Houston Kyle Lowry (PG) - Houston Portland receives: Battier (SF) - Houston Brent Barry (SG) - Houston Trade Machine - Succesful. Houston cuts $11.7, unloads T-Mac, but drops T-Mac. However, assets like none other. GS dumps unhappy players and gets a new star. Portland, you get Battier. enough said. Houston's opening day roster: PG: Ellis/Brooks SG: Ariza/Fernandez SF: Jacko/Outlaw PF: Scola/Landry C: Anderson/Hayes/(Yao)
LOL, look at these playoff percentages again and tell me they're not that bad. They're bottom of the damn barrell, it doesn't get any worse. 04-05: 39.3 FG% & 31.7 3PT% 05-06: 36.6 FG% & 23.1 3PT% 06-07: 37.9 FG%, 36.1 3PT% PPS overrates drawing FT's (FT's take up a possession like any other shot) and gives too much lenience to players chucking 3's. If you're shooting 33.8% from 3, you shouldn't be taking 300 of them. 13th is hardly good anyway, and when you switch to overall, he drops to 18th (really 24th, but I excluded some players who didn't play nearly enough).
