Stephen. A. Smith.: BOSH THROWS MONKEY WRENCH IN STAR TRIO, WORKING ON S&T WITH HOU

I actually think it goes both ways now, Bosh WANTS the extra 30 mill and Toronto wants quality players back so it isn't as easy as Bosh just walking. Interesting situation really because of the extra year and money angle of it now, which may I say Morey predicted in Feb.

 

Very possible. I can see him using the same tactics that teams use to leverage better deals from other teams. You either play the game or the game plays you.

 

If the Raptors don't believe Bosh is willing to leave money on the table, then they have more leverage than he does, so it will probably come down to who blinks first. With these latest developments, I think our odds have gone up dramatically.

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lolol

Imagine, that Toronto demands, Ariza and Martin

Dm would say: NO WAY, get the hell out, what do you think Bosh would do next????

Go to Chicago/Miami(depending on other FA), or go back to Toronto???

Do you give any credibility on that 3 players package that supposedly is on the table????

I can almost bet with you, that If Bosh wanted to go to Houston, the deal would be sealed, with Scola and battier (ASSET and a expiring) the salaries would match, they need a PF, and a experienced expiring, and the deal would be done.

But probably Toronto is not going with Scola, because he is a restricted free agent, and we don´t know what the crazy teams trowing money at scrubs, will give to a very solid player in Scola, and after that, Morey is going to work

Toronto will not demand, MOREY will, but then again, is Boch committed yet???

PeAcE

 

lol, yes you captured his essence ...

 

Toronto is leveraging Bosh right now by refusing to S&T him to the East. But their leverage over Houston is limited. We have offered the most attractive S&T of the teams in the West. That's really all we have to do. So, Bosh is left to choose our S&T max offer vs. walking away from $30 million. And Toronto is left with accepting our S&T offer, or allowing Bosh to walk away for nothing. And the whole kicker is none of Toronto, Miami, and Cleveland want to participate in Chicago/NY/NJ or any of their other teams in building a juggernaut in the East.

If Bosh falls to Houston, then somebody in the East is going to be willing to S&T their guy to us for our picks and young players and expirings rather than let their guy run to NY, NJ, or Chicago.

 

Bosh wouldn't do anything in that scenario. Morey would decline, and the teams would keep negotiating until hopefully it got to a level that works for both sides. I think in time it would work out, and I agree the price won't be unreasonable. I was just responding to the poster who claimed the deal would effectively be "done" as soon as Bosh said he wanted to go to Houston. There will still be delicate work to do and it will probably take some time.

 

No...i dont think thats the case at all. I think that , IF this is all shaking out as SAS says it is, Bosh has expressed interest in Houston...and if thats whats gonna get him out of Toronto AND get him max $/contract length, then theres no leverage to be made. Chic and Mia are well aware that they could have him in a heartbeat if they could pony up enuf assets to Toronto.

I actually think Toronto has more leverage here than anyone bc, without saying it, they have quietly stuck it up Boshs' ass by basically shooting down offers from Chic and Mia (again, assuming they actually said no to Deng and/or Beasley).

Frankly, if I am Toronto, theres NO FREAKIN WAY that I am going to pay a guy (Bosh) who wants out the max AND enable a team in my conference (Mia/Chic) to build a superpower. I think Toronto "lucked out" so to speak when Bosh showed interest in Houston...which btw, is the only team he seems interested in outside of the eastern conf.

 

THIS^

--RB

 

Toronto definitely has a say in this...there is no reason for them to take back players that they dont want. They'd be better off letting Bosh walk so they can get the additional cap space next season than taking on average/crap players just to make Bosh happy.

 

If the Raptors were powerless in these negotiations, then they would accept Michael Beasley from Miami or Luol Deng from Chicago, both of which they reportedly expressed no interest in.
Fortunately, the Rockets have more flexibility in young players and draft picks, so if Bosh wants to come to Houston, there's negotiating room between Morey and Toronto.
The team losing a free agent in a sign and trade doesn't have a lot of leverage, but it has enough to mess things up.

 

Woj Twitter:

This is exactly why I thought the big 3 to Miami NEVER had any legs.

 

I HAVE TO SAY, I LIKE THIS MONKEY WRENCH A WHOLE LOT!

 

Mia can sign all 3 to full max contracts if they dump Beasley.

 

100% endorsed. if Bosh isn't flexible about max $s all suitors must deal with the Raptors.

as an aside, i'll be really interested in seeing Bosh's documentary. imagine, you have some loyalty for the current team + wanting to maximize your earning potential + don't wanna gut your next team, compromising future success. so many conflicting issues there. his choice will leave him bared for all to see.

 

Until Bosh says "houston" then this is all just posturing.

DD

 

Repped.

No question that Lebron and Wade should be paid at least as much, if not more than Bosh. The only palatable situation in Miami is if each gets paid equally, but that requires Bosh to take less than max and there's a question as to whether that trio is good enough to win it all. Either of those issues could kill the Three-to-Miami scenario. Bosh could get his max via Miami, but Toronto doesn't want those assets (or at least can say that in posturing).

As for Chicago, it's a multiparty game of chicken. I bet that Chicago would happily take Lebron or Wade, plus Lee or Boozer for less than max. That's a championship team. Not much worse than if they got Bosh, IMO. Frankly, dollar fo rdollar, lee or boozer for less than max might be better value.

The problem is indecision - Wade's preference is for a sausage party in Miami, but if no sausage party, will head elsewhere. Lebron is undecided. Bosh wants Max but Toronto wants good assets.

Miami is in trouble. Bosh wants max but Toronto won't take those assets. Wade isn't going to stay if it's just him and Boozer. Wade is better off heading to Chicago with David Lee, or by himself. The cool factor of south beach doesn't outway the $$$ or the weakness of the roster.

Chicago is sitting pretty. They are a contender if they grab Lebron or Wade alone, maybe even Bosh alone. In a game of musical chairs, this is the best seat and Lebron and Wade are eyeing each other carefully.

NJ: why havent we heard anythng about these guys. Good pieces in place and the best SnT asset in Favors, if they're willing to surrender it. If Lebron goes there, Bosh should happily follow in a SnT for the max. The cool factor is there, with Jay Z, Russo Billionaire and Brooklyn soon to follow.

NY: Cool factor doesn't outweigh the problem of a weak roster, no SnT assets, no loyalty factor helping them. Hence the early talks with Amare to ensure they dont' come away empty handed.

Houston: His staff and computers have a computer model that already predicted this, along with the movement of the stock market, plate techtonics, end of the world, end of the universe, etc. So Morey waits for the variables to be defined. There's little for him to do, except a whisper here and a leak there to Jedi-mind-trick the mere mortals.

 

Isnt it Wade thats actually doing the documentary? In either case, would definitely be interesting to watch.

And DD definitely has a point, until Bosh makes any comment about wanting to come to Houston or being interested in coming to Houston, this is all talk/rumor. And he wont mention Houston until James or Wade start making their commitments. Going to be a long weekend.

 

I haven't seen too much mention of the fact that Bosh wanted to be the number 1 player and a PF. Of the teams pursuing him, Houston is the only one where both of these would be the case and Houston can offer more in a S&T

 

Oh, and our best case scenario is what really should happen:

Lebron and Wade recognize that they are the best, and they can just split the money in Chicago and dominate. No Batman, no Robin. That remains to be seen. Lebron the icon, Wade the star come home. Instant Dynasty.

That kills Miami, NY and NJ in one fell swoop. Bosh is ours.

The Houston v. Chicago battle that didn't occur in the mid 90's will play itself out in 2011 forward.

(unfortunately, this time, I'm not sure we'd come out on top, but man it would be fun.)

(edit) actually, our best case scenario is Lebron heading back to Cleveland, Miami gets Wade plus boozer, we get Bosh, and NY gets nothing or just Amare.