[Stein] Thomas Robinson could be traded to either Chicago or Cleveland

It had to be per Amico. :/

 

Nice to hear the Spurs in hot pursuit of T-Rob. I always suspected they were pretty hot on him and would offer more than Cavs 19th pick.

But I wonder what the Spurs can actually offer us that's better than Cav's 19th pick?

Carl Herrera, any ideas?

 

Damn, Morey really turned 2Pat into gold... hope Carl is busy eating a huge plate of crow.

 

1. Remember last year's draft?

HOU traded Dalembert to move up from 14th to 12th a couple days before draft day. This happened out of nowhere. There were plenty of rumors about the Rockets, but the Milwaukee scenario wasn't one of them.

And then we keep on hearing how the Rockets have various scenarios lined up to move up to 2nd, 5th or 8th or whatever heading into draft night. And people felt pretty good about it because the earlier trade had happened... and then everything fell through.

So, I tend not to put too much stock in rumors about draft-day trades, even if reported by more or less credible guys. With Morey, stuff can happen without warning and stuff that gets reported repeatedly as being worked on can very well fall through the cracks. I'll believe that Morey made a trade when it is reported that the trade is actually made.

2. I would not be shocked if Houston ends up acquiring one or more additional 2nd round picks, be they early or late. There are teams (Cavs and others) with multiple late 1sts and 2nds who are trying to package them to move up and who don't want to add a bunch of rookies to their roster.

Morey may well want those if they end up being sold off for fairly cheap after other possibilities fall through the cracks. The Rockets will have to waive/trade several non-guaranteed guys (among Aaron Brooks, James Anderson, Tim Ohbrecht, Delfino and Garcia) to land Dwight and filling a spot or two with a 2nd round pick as opposed to minimum wage free agents may be a good strategy. The team may also be interested in 2nd round Euro stashes like Aldemir.

 

So what are the Rockets trying to get picks right ?

 

He is too busy thinking what could have been last season had we faced the denver team that demolished us in the regular season or the spurs or ibaka. Ppat would have carried us to the promise land.

 

Very reasonable post Carl. I actually agree with what you said, especially point number 2. Houston aren't really looking to move up the draft, this is all about freeing cap room, not drafting rookies. Bulls and Spurs may actually outbid Cavs for T-Rob by offering those coveted 2nd round picks the Rockets are after because of the preferable contract structures.

 

What kind of gold?

14th pick possibly turned into Cavs 19th/Bulls 20th/Spurs 28th.

That's a lossy transaction.

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"Gold" as in rumors for possible trades for late 1st rounders? I'll judge whether it is gold when a trade is actually made, not rumored. Too many rumored Morey deals fall through.

And why do people think Patterson couldn't be traded (assuming the Rockets would trade him instead of keeping him and trading away other salaries since he fits a need for a spread 4 next to Dwight) for at least a late 1st rounder?

First, you don't know his trade stock now unless the Kings actually trades him.

Second, had the team kept Patterson, he would have most likely had the opportunity to perform in both a playoff chase and in the playoffs. This may well have raised his stock. After getting over an ankle injury, Patterson had a .600+ TS% in the last 2 months before the trade. He also had a 27 point game vs. OKC earlier in the season.

 

Ppat gets a nothin. By aquiring Trob we now have something. You can call that gold or not but it is an improvement over what we would have got.

 

Amico is full of so much BS, it makes me so angry when he says something I wish was true.

 

Morey may well be right that Robinson has higher trade value than Patterson would have-- some teams are enamored with the draft order of a player, even if the performance don't justify it. If so, then kudos to Morey. I was wrong in thinking that the NBA GMs would behave rationally. All it takes is one team to want him, I guess.

But lets not pretend that this is what most of the trade supporters were saying at the time it was made-- that the trade is good because Morey can turn Robinson into a late 1st rounder. No. What we heard was talks of Robinson's "upside," how the Rockets can "develop" him into their future PF, and how it's "too early" to judge him and we must be "patient" with him and give him a couple years.

Nah... if Morey really traded for Robinson with the intent to flip him, then the team really never believe in, or even cared about, "developing" Robinson's "upside" and had no interest in exercising "patience" with him as Robinson's fans claimed the Rockets would.

 

Or it could be that his upside was seen as a selling point and the main reason he would be easier to move later.

 

Lets wait and see what happens. I believe the Rockets will get an asset for TRob but I also believe th Rockets are leaking information to the press to manipulate the market for TRob. Too bad the Rockets have to clear so much cap space, I would like to give TRob another year.

 

I think the coaching staff took one look at him in practice and decided that they needed to keep him on the bench as much as possible in order to preserve his "upside" aka minimize the amount of actual game film other teams would be able to base an assessment off of.

 

Carl, I think Morey traded for flexibility with upside last February. Dwight wasn't specifically in the picture then.

The flexibility is that we could easily trade T-Rob (at least for a 2nd rounder) if we needed the cap room OR develop him to be a starting 4.

Where Morey failed was that he threw the rookie T-Rob into the a heated race for the playoffs and he didn't really get a chance to develop and get playing time. Maybe this is one situation Morey and McHale could do with better communication about player movements.

Anyways, it was a package deal and I'm not sure if Patterson/Douglas/Aldridge would have helped us in the playoffs more than T-Rob/Garcia/Brooks. I call it a wash mainly because Garcia played so well.

Now that Dwight has become a real possibility, the proof of Morey's successful trade lies in the ability to move T-Rob to free cap room which I am confident he will be able to do. Even if we didn't give T-Rob the time or situation to properly develop, the trade will be a success even if we clear him for a second rounder because the ultimate goal now (the bigger picture) is to free the cap room to sign Dwight, all other considerations are superfluous.

 

The selling point is some other teams' perception of his "upside," which is not the same thing as the Rockets' own view of his "upside."

If the Rockets really think that the guy is really an upcoming stud, it would be reasonable for them to at least try other ways of clearing salary space, including trading Jeremy Lin or trading 2 or 3 of their other rookies (who did better than Robinson, but didn't exactly have Rookie-of-the-Year campaigns), instead of moving him as their first option.

 

How full of it are you? Reality check, you're a poster on a fan-site, not an NBA GM. This fixation with one player is simply ridiculous and asinine.

I'd rather heed the opinion of people who do this for a living than some bumbling poster ranting about why he misses Patrick Patterson. Seriously you should write a letter to the rockets or something.

And nice straw-man. The WHOLE reason we are even in this trade fiasco is because we are trading robinson to free cap for dwight. If dwight wan't available Morey would do nothing and let his players develop (yes that means robinson)

So your argument about morey lying about "developing" Robinson and just wanting to trade him is invalid. Yes morey wants to develop robinson, just like how he developed Patterson into a respectable player. But he also knows that when the time arises and you can maximise a player's value to get a better asset then you do it.

Simply put No Dwight = Robinson Stays
However all indications point to a high probability of Dwight = Robinson is traded. A victim of circumstance.

 

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Since when is David Khan the GM of the Chicago Bulls/San Antonio Spurs/Cleveland Cavaliers?

Try Again.