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State of the Union Thread

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  1. No Worries

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    Sen. Jim Webb to rebut State of the Union

    The Virginia newcomer will give the Democratic response Tuesday, and he's primed to talk about endgame in Iraq.
    By Gail Russell Chaddock | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

    WASHINGTON - When President Bush gave his 2006 State of the Union speech, Jim Webb hadn't yet decided to run for the US Senate. But he had no doubts about the war in Iraq, which he called "the greatest strategic blunder in modern times."

    Tuesday night, Senator Webb is giving the Democratic response to this year's State of the Union – an unusually high profile for a freshman. But no Democrat in the Congress is more primed to talk on the No. 1 issue in congressional politics: the endgame in Iraq.

    "We have never clearly defined what a win is – never, not since 2002," says Webb, on a brisk walk through the Capitol basement after President Bush announced an increase of 21,500 troops in Iraq. One of them will be Webb's son, Jimmy, whose Marine unit has just been extended for an additional 60 days in Iraq.


    A decorated combat marine, Webb knows – and can articulate – the human face of war with an authority that is rare on Capitol Hill. As a company commander in the An Hoa Basin during the Vietnam War – the setting of his first of six bestselling novels, "Fields of Fire" – he was awarded the Navy Cross for exceptional heroism, three medals and two purple hearts. He dedicated that 1978 book to "the 100,000 Marines who became casualties in Vietnam. And for the others who became casualties upon their return."

    As a law student at Georgetown University Law Center, Webb represented and later cleared the name of a marine convicted of war crimes in Vietnam, three years after his suicide. With the House Committee on Veterans Affairs from 1977 to 1981, he became the first Vietnam veteran to serve as a committee counsel on Capitol Hill. In 1987, President Reagan appointed Webb to be secretary of the Navy, but he resigned in 1988 over deep budget cuts that the Congress mandated for the Navy.

    "The fact that he's a longtime Republican, until his recent conversion, plus his war-hero status, plus a strong association with Ronald Reagan, plus the fact that he delivered the Senate to the Democrats on the issue of Iraq – it makes him the logical choice for the Democrats," says Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia.

    Democratic leaders who tapped Webb for his prime-time assignment describe him as "a new voice in a new Congress." "He's also a combat veteran who understands personally how important it is to find a new direction in Iraq and begin to bring the war to a close," said Senate majority leader Harry Reid.

    Once a reluctant campaigner

    A reluctant campaigner, Webb was once the first person out the door at a campaign event in Arlington, Va., that he was headlining. But he is settling into his role in the Senate, where he often sits through oversight hearings on the war from start to finish – a practice typically rare for anyone but the committee chairman.

    "I'm impressed. He was the only one who stayed the whole time... Senator Webb and [Chairman Joseph] Biden," says Marjorie Lasky, a war protester from Berkeley, Calif., who sat near the front row of recent Senate hearings. "I hope he stays right on top of this war."

    For Webb, the key to getting out of Iraq is for the Bush administration to "aggressively deal with the situation in a regional context," he says. "If we do that, we get our combat troops out, and we can still address the war against international terrorism. We can help increase the stability of the region, and we can deal with our strategic interests elsewhere. That's how you define a win."

    Webb's tough questions

    His committee assignments on the Senate Armed Services Committee and Foreign Relations Committee give him a platform to raise these issues, even though his position at the bottom of the seniority rankings usually leaves him the last to speak.

    At a Jan. 11 hearing of the Foreign Relations Committee, he challenged Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to "more actively engage" in diplomatic efforts in the Middle East. "There are many, including myself, who warned that invading and occupying Iraq would in fact empower Iran, and that has become a reality," he said. Then, he asked: "Is it the position of this administration that it possesses the authority to take unilateral action against Iran in the absence of a direct threat without congressional approval?" Ms. Rice said that she would answer in writing.

    Aides say he does much of his own research to prepare for hearings and develops his own questions. He generally reads at least four hours a day, aides say. "That's what he hated the most about campaigning – losing time to read," says Webb spokeswoman Jessica Smith.

    Aides say he is drafting his own response to the State of the Union, working mainly in the evenings, although Democratic leaders will have a say in the final language.

    While he's not one of those senators who seeks television lights – or print journalists, for that matter – like a heat seeking missile, he is clearly warming to the job. "It's a great time to be in the Senate," he says.

    Ramrod straight and typically no- nonsense, Webb had a brief, much-reported skirmish with President Bush at a White House reception last year. When Mr. Bush asked after his son, Webb replied: "I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President." Pressed again, "How's your boy?", Webb said: "That's between me and my boy, Mr. President."

    Tuesday, both men speak to the nation.
     
  2. Deckard

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    So Bush's "plan" for "tackling the health care crisis" is to raise taxes on the middle class? Why am I not surprised. You folks do realize that's what he's talking about, don't you? At the same time, he's still attempting to slash taxes on the rich.

    Oh, that's rich!




    D&D. Hypocrisy is a Dish Best Served in the State of the Union.
     
  3. rimrocker

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    OK, more detail... http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2007/initiatives/sotu2007.pdf

    PRESIDENT BUSH"S AGENDA FOR SPREADING HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA

    Energy: Catchphrase: "20 in 10"... reduce gasoline consumption by 20% in ten years. How? "Reform" and "Modernize" CAFE standards and "stepping up" the domestic production of oil... in an environmentally friendly way, of course. By the way, in order to "reform" and "modernize" CAFE standards, Congress should give that authority to the Secretary of Transportation.

    Color me unconvinced, and I don't think this is the Congress to ask for additional Executive Branch power.

    Health Care: Standard Deduction for health care. See Deckard's post... the devil is in the details and the details are devilish... and this has no chance of passingthe Dem Congress.

    Spending Reform: Bush wants to spend tax dollars wisely and cut down on earmarks. First, he's a little late to the party, and second, why is it I think that by "spemding wisely" he means only things favored by rightwing Republicans?

    Education: Strengthen NCLB. Ugh. We tried it... it failed. Kill it. However, this is Bush's one singular domestic policy "acheivement," so of course he'll bring it up, even though it's less popular than ever.

    Immigration: Gastarbeiter program "without amnesty and without animosity." Again, I can't understand why they want to bring this up again... it just upsets the last people who support him.

    Judges: The Senate should quickly approve all the judges I nominated. Right.

    AMERICA"S ACTION"S IN THE WORLD WILL MAKE OUR NATION SAFER AND MORE SECURE

    War on Terror/Iraq:
    Decisive ideological struggle of our time. America must succeed in Iraq for the safety of our people. "Surge" is the best way to succeed. Propose a special Advicory Council on the WOT made up of members of both parties.

    So, he continues to try and sell a product nobody wants with rhetoric from the 2004 election. I used to think these guys understood politics, but this shows they are completely tone-deaf. Also, the Dems have said the Advisory Council is a non-starter... committees have members of both parties and are already set up with staff to help... advice can come from them. Note: The objective here is to make the Advisory Council more important than the Congress... and my guess is the proposal will call for equal party representation, which would of course undercut the Dems who hold a majority on the committees. Not gonna happen.

    Strengthening our Military: Increase soldiers and Marines by 92,000 over 5 years.

    AIDS and Malaria: The President's plans are working to save lives.

    That's it. Sounds like it will be a short speech that will further his decline in the polls.
     
  4. mc mark

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    No man to Mars?

    :(
     
  5. rimrocker

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    Snow at the press briefing talking about the SOTU...

     
  7. mc mark

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    Will Bush have the balls to look into the cameras and tell Americans "The State of the Union is Strong"?
     
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    Oh, the horror. Our union is weak! Everyone knows that! States are seceding left and right and our country is engaged in civil war!
     
  9. mc mark

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    No, not weak.

    But crying for unity and common purpose.
    Bleeding from deception and arrogant hubris.
     
  10. Mulder

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    [​IMG]
     
  11. Honey Bear

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    Is that Dikembe Mutombo sitting next to the first lady?!
     
  12. Omer

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    Great link and info, thanks a lot!
     
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    sucking up before he even starts :rolleyes:


    is this the same one as last year? this energy policy is a joke.
     
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    He's still not a very good speaker, but he's doing a nice job framing the surge right now. Not that it'll necessarily hold up, but it's a damn fine try.
     
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    What's up with the switch of tie color? Did he go on Queer Eye after the last election?
     
  16. KaiSeR SoZe

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    I wanna see some booing! Why does it seem like this is just all talk and nothing is going to happen.
     
  17. Master Baiter

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    What this party needs is more clapping. They should just let him say all of his crap and then have a whole round of applause or tomato throwing at the end.
     
  18. KaiSeR SoZe

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    MUTOMBO!!!!!!
     
  19. rodrick_98

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    deke better get back to practice!

    bush can't even pronounce his name correctly :rolleyes:
     
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