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State of the Union Address

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by s land balla, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. arkoe

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    *arkoe hopes you all leave so he can be a country of one.
     
  2. shastarocket

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    arkoe's USA = 100% unemployment rate
     
  3. rhadamanthus

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    The king of all weak responses. Your post sucks.
     
  4. mc mark

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    Obama = totalitarian aggressor

    yep! I can see that. :rolleyes:
     
  5. Deckard

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    Yes, your sorry (and insulting) attitude. People like you would be thrilled if those of us that use the language we have in the Constitution, you know, freedom of speech and democracy, to criticize the flaws and failures of our country in an attempt to bring awareness of our failings among our people, people like you, in the hope of making this country you say you love so much better. Guess what! I happen to love my country as well... love it enough to point out its flaws and promote making it a better place to live for its citizens. People like you, me, and those you'd love to see leave. Based on what I just read from you, you have no interest in improving this country because, golly, "it's the best country in the WORLD!!"

    A perfect example of that old saw, ignorance is bliss! You must be a happy guy.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Genius, there are other options when faced with the truth about the country you love.

    (A) Burry head in sand
    (B) Blame "liberals" or "right wingers" for everything
    (C) Think, analyze, and work to make this place as great as it can and should be.

    An assload of people are joining onto C. What's your choice?
     
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  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    So, factual information detailing the state of our healthcare system is somehow hating on America?

    Your logic train:

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  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Hmmm, still haven't had an hour to watch it, but some people are saying it was masterful.

    Time magazine's Halperin.

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    "... The president's speech made a down payment on the two biggest political challenges he faces in 2011 and 2012, including his own re-election. First, he delivered one of the strongest efforts yet at explaining his rhetorical theory of the case for how his policies will create jobs in America. And, second, he laid even more of a trap for Republicans, whose challenge to cut spending without damaging valuable programs or raising taxes grows more difficult by the day (and the president knows it).
    Obama's presentation was close to flawless: upbeat and animated, leisurely and assured, surprisingly engaging even when he lapsed into the professorial mode he favors over tub-thumping. He also offered up some light, teasing humor, a rare feat for the generally sober president, whose forays into comedy often seem forced or hammy. Rehearsals with one of the Democratic Party's best speech coaches clearly paid off, allowing him to internalize the text and focus on conveying the emotion of the words with grace and spontaneity. ..."
     
  9. rhadamanthus

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    The particularly odd thing about Space Ghost's monumental display of patriotic inanity is that he is touting a system he has no experience within. He has repeatedly in the past mentioned or alluded to the fact that he himself has no health insurance.

    Then again, I suppose that for the future free-loader this system is quite effective - but I certainly don't know that for sure.
     
  10. edwardc

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    Yes Yes she does.
     
  11. basso

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    shorter SOTU:
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  12. DonnyMost

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    Maybe Space Ghost should change his name to a more appropriate character, perhaps Brak?

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    "If u dont like ammurricaa then u should git outt!!!1111eleventybillion!!"

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    "STFU TROLL"

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  13. ROXRAN

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    ...WHO’s assessment system was based on five indicators:

    1. overall level of population health;

    2. health inequalities (or disparities) within the population;

    3. overall level of health system responsiveness (a combination of patient satisfaction and how well the system acts);

    4. distribution of responsiveness within the population (how well people of varying economic status find that they are served by the health system);

    5. The distribution of the health system’s financial burden within the population (who pays the costs).

    http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html

    Yes, overall, we are #37 in there report...However:
    The World Health Organization (WHO) in 2000 ranked the U.S. health care system first in both responsiveness, but 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

    So,..what the WHO is actually stating is we ARE the best on a combination of patient satisfaction, how well the sytem acts, and how well people of varying economic status find that they are served by the health system...?

    WHO, I mean WOW! ! !,...so there is no question #37 is not ideal, but in the attempt to become more like France, do we hinder our #1 status on responsiveness...?
    Call me unwilling to share the top spot, but I don't want us to lose our standing as the best in a combination of patient satisfaction, how well the sytem acts, and how well people of varying economic status find that they are served by the health system. . .

    We are the best at something in healthcare indeed, even the WHO confirmed this so....(YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja0_m-4NAec
     
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  14. Master Baiter

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    That's probably way too close to Barack for his liking.
     
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  16. mc mark

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    boy that's some pretzel logic right there boys and girls!
     
  17. Master Baiter

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    That is a thing of beauty!
     
  18. ROXRAN

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    translation: you can't refute it because ...1. it's logical and 2. it's based on reasoning derived from verifiable evidence...

    PS OBAMA SUCKED at his speech.....YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Responsiveness is nice but it doesn't mean much if the service and outcomes are bad. That is like saying that X pizza delivery is number one in pizza delivery but it is really expensive and half the time they get the order wrong.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    My two cents on the speech was that it was OK. It had a great finish and some very good lines but as a whole not something that I would consider great. This isn't due to Obama's delivery but what these State of Union speeches have become. I think the need to sprinkle these speeches with examples (props) have greatly weakened the rhetorical power of them and to me Obama's use of the personal examples struck me as just filling out a formula and on top of that the examples he used happened to come from battleground states struck me as pandering. In my opinion at least 20% could've been cut out of this speech and it would've been a more powerful speech.

    In terms of the substance of the speech I found it somewhat disjointed between the first part regarding all the new investments and then the latter part of the need to cut spending. It seems like a disconnect between saying at first "We will fund the Apollo programs of our generation" and then talking about how we really need to cut spending.

    Finally another personal peeve but this speech really highlighted what I don't like about Biden and Boehner. Most of the time Biden seemed to be smirking while also being uncertain about when he should clap. Boehner seemed about to cry half the time. Neither of them exuded any gravitas and they struck me as two goofy guys in the background distracting from the President.
     

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