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[State of the Rockets 08-09] Everything you need to know

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by blathersby, May 4, 2008.

  1. Champ Caliber

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    IMO, Athleticsm, 3rd scoring option and perimeter height is all-in-one. I personally feel no need for a PG. Rafer is a top 10pg in the league.

    I'm only looking at realistic players, guys like Elton Brand and Josh Smith are as likely as Mutombo leading the league in 3pt made and attempted.

    Starting with a backup Center based on the free agency list:
    D. Diop
    Melvin Ely
    Patrick O'Bryant
    **all 3 see little to no game time on their current teams**

    Backup swingman
    Ron Artest (we should do everything short of selling our souls here)
    Josh Childress (the Josh Smith near-max deal will free him up)
    Matt Barnes (falling out of Nellie's favor)
    Mikael Pietrus (the Euro Jordan has developed crazy range)
    Bonzi Wells (no hard feelings, it was a business decision)
    Jamario Moon (though I don't think he going anywhere)

    I won't have a problem trading Bobby Jackson and Luther Head for anything positive.

    For the draft we'll just have to wait and see what's available at the time.
     
  2. poprocks

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    What about Beno Udrih? That guy has some potential as a good ball handler and made enough of a difference in Sacremento that they thought that Bibby was expendable.
     
  3. blathersby

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    I've gone from being a Rafer hater to believing he's one of the more underrated players in the league. He has major problem, but his ability to run this offense should NOT be overlooked. That said, there are really only a few possibilities with this team:
    1.) Rafer Alston could conceivably be upgraded, but he's most probably going to remain the starting PG. I have serious doubts that the Rockets will acquire a better PG.
    1a.) Of course, Aaron Brooks could have a breakout year. The guy has TALENT. Bobby Jackson will probably be dealt for a non-expiring contract. Actually, hold that thought. While the team could improve this spot, I think this'll be their #2 priority.

    2.) Tracy McGrady ain't going anywhere, and this team has way too many SGs as is
    2a.) Luther Head? Steve Francis? The Rockets REALLY need a SG to give T-Mac a break. That said, in importance, this has to be #3. I can't imagine it being any higher.

    3.) Shane Battier is going to play a ton of minutes whether you like it or not. Premiere wing defenders are valuable in this league, and Battier's one of the best.
    3a.) Mike Harris should DEFINITELY get the minutes ahead of Steve Novak. Don't get me wrong, I like Novak. But until Novak improves, I have to pass. Still, Battier is going to play long minutes just for his ability to lock down an opposing player. This spot doesn't need to be super deep. #4 priority.

    4.) The ScoLandry combo will almost certainly remain as-is.
    4a.)I could POSSIBLY see the Rockets drafting another forward, but I doubt it as long as Chuck Hayes is around. Say what you want about the Chuckster, but he's one QUALITY player to have 3-deep. #5 most important spot.

    5.) Yao Ming isn't going anywhere.
    5a.) Loren Woods? This has to be the place the Rockets will most aggressively look to improving. They NEED to get a backup for Yao in order for them to compete for a title. Absolute #1 priority. Yao is injury prone and still has issues with stamina (though he has GREATLY improved them). I want Loren Woods playing 18 minutes a night like I want a big fat turd sundae.

    Notice the assumption I made: all the Rockets starters will be starters next season. This Free Agent group is ONLY a good group if all the top players OPT OUT of their contracts. And you have to think their agents are making sure they know that there's going to be more players than money floating around this year if they do. If they do, they'll probably all still go to another team that's willing to shell out the most money. That leaves the rest of the Free Agents... And that's where the Rockets will grab a player. He almost certainly won't be an All-Star, but they'll be able to grab some quality depth this year...
    If everyone opts out. If not, this year's crop is no different from any other year. And if it happens that happens, I don't expect Bobby Jackson to move anywhere. And if it doesn't happen, I can only wonder. If Les is willing to pay the Luxury Tax this season, wouldn't it make sense for him to hold onto BJax's expiring contract? Hmm, I wonder...
     
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  4. Rockets2K

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    exceptional blath

    I totally agree with everything you just posted.

    x3 the vote to sticky this and allow longer editing time on the intial post.

    edit: you could also link patricia's site for contracts and Coon's CBA FAQ to backup what you got from wiki
     
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  5. blathersby

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    If I can edit it further, absolutely. If not, when I do my next big update (on the cap space of the individual NBA teams), I'll put that in there.
    But I have a Calculus exam at 5. Ugh.
     
  6. kamil207

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    T-mac just got arthroscopic surgery on his knee and shoulder today just heard it on ESPN... hopefully he can come back healthy next season along with Yao! Also, the biggest need we have to address in this offseason IMO is adding that third scorer. I think we should try and go for a Cory Maggette depending on how much money he will want. It will add a reliable third option for the Rockets to go along with Yao and T-mac. Battier is an offensive liability
     
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    Maggette has a player option for 8.4M.The only way we can acquire him is through a trade which is going to be tough. You're absolutely right about Battier being an offensive liability.
     
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    The 3rd scorer is a must and is something we've lacked every year we've had T-Mac. Last year, it was supposed to be Bonzi or MJ or Francis (then BJax), all failed due to age, inconsistency, injuries or a combo of any of the 3.

    Personally, I'm done playing undersized at multiple positions and done with the combo guards. Maggette would look GREAT next to T-Mac, but is too expensive and too frail to add to this already cash-stricken, injury-laden team IMO.

    I'm also done with the poor FTs. Having Yao shoot like a PG helps, but let's get extra, extra reps in or hire a FT coach or something...
     
  9. Rockets2K

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    if your measure of who isn't a "offensive liability" is "someone who can create their own shot" then you and the other guy are right


    otherwise you are mistaken

    The main problem with Shane Battier's offense is he wont use it more, he has shown to be a good shooter off of curls and screens, from behind the arc and can take it to the basket against slower defenders. He is more than capable of hitting every shot he takes, but you have to FORCE him to actually take shots.


    there *is* a difference between a Deke or Chuck who could take those shots all day but cant hit most of them, and a Battier who CAN do it but WONT.


    the way most of yall talk, Battier couldnt hit a shot inside the arc if you left him wide open.
     
  10. blathersby

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    I almost wonder if he's just overthinking the game sometimes rather than letting it come to him. He definitely sees his role as a defensive one; maybe he's trying to conserve energy.

    Whatever the case, Battier's the Rockets' guy. The biggest strength this team has is chemistry; it's why this team is good. They're a better team than the sum of parts; it's why with three injured starters (four if you count Yao), the Rockets were still able to make the Playoff series against the jazz a SERIES. And when you have this kind of chemistry, you DO NOT disrupt it by bringing in a Ron Artest. No. Absolutely not. You don't disrupt a team's chemistry by bringing in a cancer to it. Ron Artest, mark my words, will DOOM this team.
    Remember this: players with great stats on bad teams usually aren't great players. There's a REASON why their team is bad.
    This is NOT Fantasy basketball. You cannot accurately analyze a player from a stat sheet. Even Daryl Morey will tell you it's not enough.
     
  11. poprocks

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    I agree with this but still on Beno Udrih, he is a free agent and a pretty good guard too. He could run the point easily as he did in Sacremento. Think about it..the Spurs would have in a roundabout way given us another key piece. I am not talking about replacing Alston but getting Udrih as an additional piece. I don't care about Luther Head or Novak. Both of those guys can go and I agree Harris is much more valuable than Novak. Novak is a luxury. Now if he were the second coming of Brett Barry, that's another story altogether but he's not.
     
  12. blathersby

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    Beno Udrih isn't going anywhere. He's been a major player in Sacramento, and they're going to give him way more money than Houston will. They wouldn't have given away Mike Bibby if they weren't planning on bringing Beno Udrih back.
     
  13. Hayesfan

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    Wanted to bump this in response to Calderon saying he wants to play for a contender as a starter ;)

    How much is he worth do you think?
     
  14. EGYPT

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    I have to disagree with you due to generalization, because applying your quote then TMac was not necessarily a good player in Orlando or Kobe was not good in LA last year. Artest was a solid player on a good Pacers team.
     
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    ASK Tmac to have pay-cut, free some budget for a decent player!
     
  16. saleem

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    I'm not comparing him to Deke and Chuck. He can't create his shot,is slow on offense and like you said you have to force him to take them.I do think he can make most shots that he takes because he is an intelligent player who plays within himself but on a team that desperately needs points in addition to defense,we need every basket that we can get.His unwillingness on offense is a sign of a lack of confidence to me. If he open on the corners he can make his 3 pointers which is his main scoring shot,but a good perimeter defender can take that away from him. He is a 9-10 point game player on average and that's not enough.
     
  17. blathersby

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    Just for the record, even if he wanted to take a smaller contract in order for the team to save some cap space, he couldn't. Until it expires or is traded away, Tracy McGrady's contract is on the books. Buyouts make things a bit more complicated, but he's not getting bought out. No matter what, McGrady's contract next year is virtually set in stone.

    One more paper to go... I'll update things after it's done.

    Here's my tentative list of things to add:
    • Rough payroll estimates and cap room for each team (will be a major project, might take me a while)
    • R2K's salary cap links
    • New Morey quotes from offseason wants/needs
    • Updated newsworthy opinions
    • Anything else y'all can think of
     
  18. DrNuegebauer

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    :confused:

    Didn't TMac go to the playoffs with Orlando?

    1 year out of the playoffs doesn't = a 'bad team'

    People who put up big stats on bad teams (that is, continually bad teams) are very often not good players.

    But I think the sample size of those players is pretty small - you're talking about Shareef Abdur Rahim, Corey Maggette, Eddy Curry - those sorts of players.
     
  19. blathersby

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    That's an extremely good rule to follow. However, you DO have to be aware of exceptions to it such as Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade, and, of course, Eric Piatkowski.
     
  20. DrNuegebauer

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    Totally agree that there are exceptions (Elton Brand?)

    But I'd say Wade and Garnett haven't had the 'bad team' plague..

    You need to look at guys who put up numbers, but whose teams always stink! And I guess I'm saying there aren't too many of them!
     

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