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Starting point guards for other Western Conf contenders

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by R0ckets03, Dec 6, 2007.

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Dude, that makes no sense at all. Clearly, you are trying to justify playing Steve more with specious arguments.

    Steve just isn't that good. People are going to have to accept that.
     
  2. plutoblue11

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    Maybe, not.

    But, Fisher is a clutch shooter, good (on ball/help) defender, leader, doesn't make alot of turnovers, doesn't take unneccessary shots, hits open shots, and is not detriment to the teams success.....

    I don't think you can say the same for Rafer.
     
  3. heavy

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    Rafer Alston is so NOT the problem on this team.
     
  4. Cohen

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    Spot on.

    The hypothesis is that the PG position is the most important, yet with Rafer ... who supposedly sucks... we had the top 5-man in the league last season. Something just doesn't compute.
     
  5. plutoblue11

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    37% shooting

    26% 3 point shooting

    55% ft shooting


    ......................
     
  6. HillBoy

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    We have 2 of those guys on the roster as well: SF3 & Mike James...

    Now think about Aaron Brooks with you just said here. Consider the fact that he's shorter than Barea and just as inexperienced yet folks around here are looking to him to be the answer to all of the Rockets' PG problems.
     
  7. R0ckets03

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    You can't seriously believe that?

    Do you not see Yao and Tracy being double even before they get the ball? Who is being left wide open because they can't hit a shot?
     
  8. R0ckets03

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    LOL!

    We have a top 5-man team because of Yao and Tracy. Reefer definitely does not help that situation.

    Again:

    Deron Williams
    Chris Paul
    Allen Iverson
    Steve Nash
    Baron Davis
    Tony Parker

    Devin Harris
    Derek Fisher

















































    Reefer Altson
     
  9. Cohen

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    Rafer was in our top 5-man Lenovo, top 4-man, top 3-man, top 2-man, and in our top 1-man. http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22006&split=9&team=Rockets

    Thinking maybe it was an aberration?

    This year, exactly the same. It's Rafer.



    Or maybe you would hypothesize that the PG would often be the top Lenovo player for a team since they are supposed to keep the offense clicking? Yet even Nash isn't the top 1 for the Suns. Here are some other top Lenovos on key teams:

    For the Celtics, it's KG. The Cavs/LeBron, Mavs/Nowitzki, Suns/Hill, Spurs/Ginobili, Jazz/Kirilenko, Nuggets/Camby.

    How about that.

    Maybe, just maybe, he doesn't suck as much as you think.

    (Oh yeah, and really whitty on the 'Reefer' ... :rolleyes: )
     
  10. R0ckets03

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    FG% - 37%
    3FG% - 26%
    FT% - 55%
    PPG - 8

    Get off Reefer's jock. Lenovo stats be damned. I can see with my own eyes how Tracy and Yao are constantly double teamed because Reefer doesn't even belong in the NBA.

    But you are right, he makes up on defensive side where he is a beast. :rolleyes:
     
  11. R0ckets03

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    And yeah he might be our best ball handler but his deficiencies in other areas are too hard to ignore.

    And exactly how hard is it to bring the ball up court and hand it to Tmac?
     
  12. BigRox11

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    We have five pgs. With what we have as a team, I believe we can win a championship with them. You can't expect to have an all star on all positions in any team. The weakness on pg in Rockets has largely been offset by T-Mac's ball handling ability. All they need to do is to play well as a team and reach everyone's potential that they already have.
     
  13. Cohen

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    Sorry, jock references are not permitted past jr high. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Kwame

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    Yeah that was ridiculous. Having to constantly fight off double teams before even getting the ball (thanks to Mr. Alston's less than prodigious shooting) will take its toll on TMac and Yao over the course of the season.
     
  15. fleshbody

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    are you even able to think? does the Rockets management fail to recognize that while you do? If you really know something about the ROX, you can see who are doing the PG job actually. When you have T-mac in the team and he is willing to dish balls, you will certainly see much less performance from Rafer. Yeah of course if we had a PG like Steve Nash/JK/Deron/CP3 we would be unstoppable, but who you are willing to give up for? YAO or MAC?
    this is a cleverly disguised TRADE YAO/MAC thread ;)
     
  16. c1utchfan925

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    the reason why our dominant center and shoot guard combo isnt working is because we rely tooo heavily on them for scoring. if we had a pg that shot better from the field like say... IS 40% TOO MUCH TO ASK?? okay rant over sorry. anyways its only what 20 games into the season? get over it, until we can find someone who can consistently contribute on the offensive end outside of our stars, our center and shooting guard will always be too tired to contribute in the fourth quarter when it matters most...
     
  17. blastaway

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    You must not be old enough to remember how the Glove was a defensive stopper against other point guards? If this makes no sense, can you please tell me which of the West's elite point guards are DEFENSIVE STOPPERS? (Please don't tell me who averages a couple of steals, that playing the passing lanes, not shutting down other start point guards defensively).

    Steve may or may not round out into form of some of the elite point guards, most likely not since he has never been considered a true point guard. But my point of the post was that he DOES penetrate and put more offensive pressure on the other elite point guards in the West than does Rafer sucks Wafer Alston! If you deny that, then please point out HOW! :eek: Steve is also a bigger and heavier defender for other point guards like Deron and Baron to post up against. They use Wafer like toilet paper. :rolleyes:
     
  18. devin23

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    LMAO. Best post i've seen in awhile. You make an excellant point with your sarcasm. :D
     
  19. ReD_1

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    I believe none of those teams have DOMINANT center.
    Duncan and Amare aren't centers.
     
  20. blastaway

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    Nothing like stats like these that prove what a genius of a coach Rick Adelman is hey? ;) :cool: :eek: :( :mad:
     

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