Starting PF: "There's better players available through trade."

i would try for Camby or Artest

Battier+sura for Camby this may be one of the better deals denver while cutting salary.

or

sura, snyder and vspan for artest (not sure how bad sac wants to dump artest)

 

I would try it too

 

No love for David Lee? He should be more expendable after the acquisition of Randolph. He's one of the best rebounding big man in the entire league and a has a solid offensive game. He's also a very underrated defender and passer, with deceptive athleticism. Would be a great fit with any team, especially under Rick Adelman. Then not to mention the Knicks are in a dire need of a small forward as much as were are for a power forward. Especially a small forward that's unselfish, shoots 3's, and actually plays defense. It almost makes us perfect trade partners. Great role player for role player that fits each others teams needs.

Something along the lines of Shane Battier, future 2nd, and possibly John Lucas for Fred Jones, David Lee and a filler to match contract should hopefully work.

Then if we could acquire Nocioni with the MLE (Maybe ask the Chinese to give him a shoe contract as well lol ) we'd have a great lineup.

I'd actually like to pursue Nocioni even possibly more than Lewis. With the type of contract he is demanding, it might not be worth it since he might be a liability on the defensive end of the ball, which would force McGrady to guard the opponents best player each and every night which would hurt us in the long term and in the playoffs. Nocioni is a far better defensive player and has a much better attitude towards the game. Won't take no for an answer, and pitbull on the court. A guy that does everything to win the game, and we really could use a player like that, that has a passion to win as much as he does. Also a very good offensive player to boot. Can create his own shot and shoot a high percentage from anywhere on the floor. Then if we could sign Joe Smith to the LLE, and Alan Henderson for the veterans minimum, we'd be quite deep as well.

PG-James-Alston-Brooks
SG-McGrady-Wells-Jones
SF-Nocioni-Wells-Reed
PF-Lee-Smith-Landry
C-Yao-Mutumbo-Henderson

I don't know what to do with Head and Sura but maybe we could trade them for a first round pick?

Thoughts??

 

Dude the 3 players he mentioned arent worth squat to us, compared to the help we can get from Haslem. Landry and Novak are unproven scrubs and we have no need for alston anymore. I would take this trade in a heartbeat.

 

I'm sorry. There are only better players available through trade if we actually get one of them. Until Morey manages to land us a serviceable player, he's full of ****.

As of right now, I'm not impressed by the draft.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-070701bulls,1,4959795.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

 

what were we giving up in that rumored Artest trade? VSpan, Sura, and Snyder? was that it?

Ike Diogu was just for Head, straight-up, right?

i don't know about trading away Battier, but we'd likely have to part with him + Rafer in a S&T for either Rashard or Chauncey. i don't want to trade Battier, but if we get Artest, it may be more efficient to have Artest + Chauncey rather than Artest + Battier.

what's the suggested trade that we've been throwing around for Tony Battie? he's making $5.2M, and they already have PGs named Jameer Nelson, Carlos Arroyo, and Travis Diener.

if we make the first three trades:

C - Yao / Deke
PF - Diogu / Chucky / Landry
SF - Artest / Mac
SG - Mac / Bonzi
PG - Billups / James / Brooks

short bench, yeah, but not even SA is stopping that team.

 

Randolph doesn't rebound. Why would they give up Lee who is athletic?

Your post makes no sense.

 

I love these pipedream layups everyone is coming up with to include lewis and billups. You actually think they would come to our on the border playoff team for less money than they could sign elsewhere?

Yea, right.

 

exactly what has transpired to suggest this team is suddenly "on the border" of not making the playoffs this coming season.

perhaps we haven't made that significant splash at PF that would placate the army of knee-jerk rocket fans out there...

but considering the only significant "loss" from last season has been juwan howard, I would venture a guess that our chances of reaching the playoffs next season are pretty damn good.

just because this team didn't produce the result we all expected this past season, does not necessarilly mean a full scale turnover of talent is the right move. how can you ever expect this team to develop the chemistry necessary to achieve a championship level, if every summer theres a complete overhaul of the roster. it certainly hasn't had a winning track record for us the past 5 season.

 

JVG?

News flash:

JVG is no longer the coach.

Maybe I missed the joke...

 

Ive heard some rumors about a possible deal with Portland from a frined who is a regular reader on Realgm. He is a Portland fan and had a link to the source but we cant find it. Even though the source sounds a bit dodgy i wanna see what you guys think.

Anyway the "source" basically said that Portland would really want Battier which is nothing new because they have wanted his leadership and blue collar play for a while now. The "source" then went on to say that portland were willing to give up Frye, Jack and a future first rounder for Battier and "fillers"

IMO this seems to good to be true but i would do it in an absolute heartbeat. Even though i love Battier's leadership and hustle Frye could fill out PF hole and force Tmac into his natural SF position and then bring in Bonzi Wells or even Mike James as our starting SG. Jack could start for us also although id look to trade him for more PF/C depth because, although he is younger than Rafer i dont see much of a difference.

Bottom line though seems to good to be true. What are your thoughts on it??

Sorry if this has already been posted i havnt read all the posts in this topic.

 

Pre Mike James and Arron Brooks, maybe. Now, why? For Channing Frye?? Sure, I guess he still has potential....

...but he's 24, got decent playing time last year (25+mpg, started 59 games), and is still mediocre at best. He shoots under 43.5%. He rebounds poorly. He has far too few blocks for a player his size. He is a mediocre offensive player.

Looking at his game logs, he's amazingly inconsistent...which is frankly, the only thing he has going for him - because he does put up great games at times, but follows them up with a bunch of crappy ones.

Jarret Jack is actually more intriguing to me. He's still got room for a lot of improvement, but he made a big jump year 1 to year 2, and if he works hard, I think he can become a just below all-star type PG. But with a million other PG's right now, can we take him on? Plus, why would Portland trade him?

As much of a "glue" as Shane is, I'd hope to get more in return, or just keep him.

 

Frye hasn't done anything since his rookie year, I'm very leary of him. Too much risk for the return.

 

I'm ok with this deal..I've always see Frye as an attainable and fir PF for the Rox..I'm ok with letting Battier go in this deal...then we could sign Nocioni or Barnes to replace his hustle at the SF position..

 

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It doesn't really sound that plausible with th Rockets giving up a proven vet that's producing for guys that haven't really established themselves considering the moves they've made.

But having fun with the scenario.

Frye can traded on his own but for another 45 days can't be packaged after the knicks trade goes through. Involving Frye and Battier it'd have to be two seperate trades.

Sura for Frye makes that happen.

Matching salaries for Battier requires a minimum of around $4.75 from Portland's way. Nothing really matches except maybe Jack + Aldridge. I can't see why both teams would do it though seems like a bad idea for both sides.

I can see how this rumor could have evolved. Portland drafted two PGs and traded for Francis.

However Francis is being bought out. Koponen is a project a few years away from entering the NBA and Green as a second round pick might not even make the cut.

As for their current PG's Rodriguez was benched in favor of Dickau at the end of last season because Dickau was able to run the team better. All in all they still need Jack.

Battier might just be wishful thinking on that Portland fan's part since they need a SF but as for Frye the Rockets need a PF and they've got excess.

 

I hope the Rockets don't trade Battier for a power forward, unless it is someone young, with the potential to give you 12/9. Camby is old... I would trade Head, Alston, and V-Span for him, however.

 

i like frye and think he can be more than solid at PF. He really struggled last year and im not sure why. I expect for him to have a much improved season this year.

 

The veteran PF's in free agency are aging players who can't do much anyway. Therefore the only choice the Rockets have is a sign and trade for a young but still developing PF whose stock isn't very high like Frye. We aren't going to get a near all-star PF with our role players.
Giving up Battier for Frye in a combination of players makes sense.We can use the MLE to get a replacement for Battier.

 

This rumor on Real GM is what we heard at trade deadline last year. Give us something new. Thanks for passing on what we already knew.

Okay, let me clarify my previous post. This team is a borderline playoff team of Yao or Mac goes down again. We lost Howard, but we gained Mike James. I really doubt Mike James is going to take over a team without one of them on the court. What is he going to do pass down to Mutumbo when Mac is double teamed? LOL

PIPEDREAM PEOPLE.