No, Martin should definitely start because we have Battier to play D and cover any defensive weakness that he might have. Now if we don't have Battier in the lineup, then LEE could be the better option.
What people miss in this whole bench idea is, if you're starters are good enough, you don't need a six man scorer off the bench. Who was the 6 man scorer off the rockets bench during the ring years? They got so much production from their starting 5, they didn't need alot off the bench. The same can be said for the early 2000 lakers and most championship teams. I'm not saying bench is not important, but its more important when you have holes in you're starting 5.
I totally agree with this one..therefore, we should put brooks into the bench but not martin..clearly martin can play better defense than brooks. Why not bench brooks then..also, if Yao, Scola, martin can all score, why we need an attack first PG but not pass first PG like lowry? anyway, i guess AB and martin will still be starters unless our defense really sucks..but honestly, i think AB is more suitable to be benched rather than martin.
Martin is a much better player than lee. Also we need martin's offence in our starting line up. But I would not mind having martin in a Manu role where he play starter minutes but come off the bench.
This current team without a trade should have Lowry start with Brooks being the spark off the bench. That move alone would balance out the starters and the bench. Maybe even have Lee playing point and Brooks playing SG.
You lost me here. Martin is 6'7" and Lee is 6'5". If height is an issue, then starting Lee actually makes them smaller.
Funniest thread of the year... Dude after like 4 pages not one single person legitimately agreed with this threads idea - Saving Kevin for a 2nd unit super group. I think the Brooks to the bench would have more agreement. But I simply could not stop reading the consensus disagreement over the original idea. Simply classic. :grin:
I like the idea, but I think our wings aren't going to provide a lot of scoring if you start Lee/Battier. On the other hand, we would still have plenty of scoring enough with Brooks/Scola/Yao. If you can add Melo, I think starting Lee makes more sense when you want to have a more balanced team. Brooks/Martin/Melo would be too much scoring and too little defense. But if we add Melo, I also don't think Brooks or Martin will still be a Rocket ... In that case Lowry/Martin/Melo or Brooks/Lee/Melo are both a balanced starting line-up togheter with Scola/Yao. I know Melo is 'future' talk, so with the players we have now ... I think Brooks/Martin are in the starting line-up, providing the offense and Battier will provide the defense on the wing. Lee is starting material, but only when DM makes another trade ... otherwise Lee is 6th man of the year candidate for the Rockets (and so is Lowry, IMO).
We've got good offsetting starters and backups in the 1/2/3 positions as of now. Starters: 1 AB - Offense 2 Martin - Offense 3 Battier - Defense Bench: 1 Lowry - Defense 2 CL - Defense 3 CB - Offense I personally like that.
No no no. We need some strength on the defensive end on our bench. You don't want to rest the starters and have to worry about falling out of the game when the bench is playing.
The OP *has* to be representative of the surprisingly large group of people who just don't get how seriously good Kevin Martin is. I'm OK with letting Lee start, benching him 30 seconds into the game, and then putting Kevin Martin in. :grin:
Even with Yao coming back, he won't play heavy minutes. The offense may run through him on some plays, but I don't see us going to him heavily till later on in the year. Regardless, Kevin Martin has been a 20 point scorer his whole career and chances are, he'll be close to that with or without Yao. The fact is that Kevin Martin will be one of our main options offensively. The Spurs played Manu off the bench because they needed his energy and playmaking abilities when the starters are out of the game, but we don't need Martin in that role. Our second unit is solid offensively with Chase as the wingman. Lee is a pretty decent offensive player as well, but his offense isn't good enough to be a starter ahead of Kmart. Some people use the Bowen/Shane argument, but the problem is we already have one of those players as our starter. When two defensive wings are on the court together, one will be forced to make plays offensively. We just won't have enough firepower like the Lakers or Spurs to put Martin on the bench. Martin mentioned that earlier on in his career under Adelmen, his defense was what kept him on the floor, and this off season, defense is one of his main focuses. He'll never be a great defense stopper, but I think he can get it to a level that is sufficient.
lol, I know. I'm certainly alone in my idea, and I know how radical it was. In a way I just wanted to get move convo going about our current roster, as I was getting sick of all this Melo talk. But I still think I have some valid points (as many of you had) but i'm actually quite fine with Martin starting. I just loved the over exxagerated responses, like this move would completely destroy the Rockets organization. Made my day I honestly believe the gap between Martin and Lee is not as big as some of you make it out to be.. Lee had a tough time last year with the Nets, had he stayed with the Magic I think we would have seen an even bigger improvement in his game and might look at Lee a little differently. As it stands, I still absolutely ove Lee's game and I do think he is a legit starter in this league
it's not just that. Martin doesn't fit into the 2nd unit and Lee fits perfectly. they're totally different players. Lee is a better and more versatile defender and doesn't have Martin's first step. Lee is much less experienced whereas Martin has developed into his prime. Martin is a much more versatile scorer. It's not about who is better Lee or Martin. Morey never brought in Lee to replace Martin, he brought him in to play with Lowry and those guys
