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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Barkley, Sep 2, 2007.

  1. ReD_1

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    Yeah been there and I was impressed.I also have blog/site about Rockets.It is bosnian :D and It's one of the most popular blogs in country and I'm proud of it.I'm glad there are lot of fans across the world.
     
  2. BEXCELANT

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    Don't think so..what is this your 3584th I hate Steve Francis post?
     
  3. Barkley

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    I think Francis is a good offensive player. As I said earlier he isn't the best shooter but he's so quick so he can make a lot of troubles for the other team. Now he is another player and he will be completly different player cause he will have another . Earlier we didn't have T-Mac so Francis was a kind of "Tracy"
     
  4. plutoblue11

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    Not really concerned about the point guard situation...you don't have to really have pass first point guard to score alot of points or run efficient offense....look at Spurs (Parker averaged 5.5, 5.8, and 6.1 assist in the last 3 years), Mavs (Terry was their assists leader and only had about 5.2 a game), Kings (Bibby was the Kings assist leader for the last 5 years...here are numbers 4.7, 5.4, 6.4, 5.4, and 5.2), Lakers (Bryant 5.4 lead the team and even their championship years they were usually ranked in top part of the league's offenses and they never had a player average over 5.5 assist game), and Bulls in their heyday didn't really have passing (high assist pg), Pippen and Jordan were their high assists people. Every team I mentioned above average over 100 ppg for a season regularly without truly high assist point guard....because the teams have good offesive game plans

    We don't really need to have point guard who is just pass first all the time, he just has to pass whenever he needs to...when there is an open man or when our best players are hot. Most championship teams in the last 15 years haven't had one...so why would we need one....?

    Besides, I think pass first point guards are sort overrated anyway...you have to have other playmakers or athletic teammates for them anyway.
     
  5. abc2007

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    Brooks will be the start PG no later than the beginning of 08-09 season. Maybe he will start in Feb. this season.
     
  6. plutoblue11

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    ^5


    Like I said in the post, we don't need him to average 6 to 10 assist a game, because we should be able to score points anyway. It will only become a problem if everybody stops passing the ball and play one-on-one.

    Right now, I believe we have six players who could beat you one-on-one, create their own, or beat off the dribble....Yao, T-Mac, Francis, James, Wells, and Scola.
     
  7. Barkley

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    The problem in Rockets was that the best guy in asists was the man who should be their top scorer...
     
  8. AstroRocket

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    I don't see what the big deal is. He's simply asking if we have a preference in who we want to start at PG, or in the absence of one, would whoever Adelman picks be our default choice (i.e. you wouldn't b**** and moan that someone else doesn't start because you trust Coach A's decision).
     
  9. Barkley

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    Well I think we need a guy who wil have 6-10 asist. That will make Tracy and Yao think "score" and don't have to concern about passing. Looks like we finnly found our playmaker cause right now Steve can be a great playmaker on this team (the same with other PG's)
     
  10. cjstukenholtz

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    If the Rockets ever chose to go that route, then I wonder if they will have too much trouble getting started in games and wind up finding themselves trying to come back game in and game out to win.

    We have all seen for the last two seasons that the Rockets were so heavily dependent on T-Mac being available to be out on the floor as much as possible in order to win. I wouldn't see that experiment lasting very long if the Rockets found themselves getting behind too much on the scoreboard.
     
  11. Barkley

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    In my opinion it is. Someone can said that's not a big deal cause we have 4 PG's and that's on Adelman who will start. And that makes no diffrence for that guy if Francis or James will be the forst point guard.
     
  12. Texas Stoke

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    Why would so many choose Steve Francis as the starting point guard?

    People have short memories around here.
     
  13. plutoblue11

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    That's why mentioned all of those teams above...is because none of those teams had PG who regularly averaged over 6 assist a game....and most averaged over 100 easily...the Lakers (with Kobe & Shaq) didn't have 6 to 10 assist a game point guard, The Bulls had Pippen and M.J as distributors, The Kings had Bibby (combined with the likes of Webber, Peja, and Divac) and I wouldn't call him pass first point guard, and even look at the league's top 5 highest scoring teams for the last 10-15 years. You will that most of them don't have that kinda point guard.
     
  14. Barkley

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    I also think Francis would be the best option :)

    But look as Suns. They're one of the best team in the NBA for years cause they have one guy, Steve Nash. He has more than 11 asist per game and that makes the game very easy for other temmates cause very often they have wide open positions...
     
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    You have that in Rafer- he is our best pass first point guard. He will not be forced to shoot in this offense. We have more weapons now and will have a more sophisticated offense that will be versatile.
    rafer will do better under Adelman- but he will probabaly be traded by the trade deadline.

    Why was this thread started again? We had one exactly like this
     
  16. plutoblue11

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    The Suns are sort of an abberation, because of Steve Nash, who is in the mode of super passing point guard...it does make it the team better...it's not really necessary...they still haven't won anything compared to the Spurs, Lakers, and Bulls.

    I prefer to model our selves after those teams instead of the Suns,
     
  17. abc2007

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    Before Brooks starts at PG, James and SF3 will start by turn.

     
  18. KeepKenny

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    I strongly disagree about Luther. He runs it so much better than Francis, not that it is saying much. i don't recall Luther botching many 2 on 1's when he was actually in that position. always made nicely timed passes.
     
  19. ling ling

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    Francis can't run the pick n roll w/o himself taking the shot.

    Francis also can't run a break w/o himself finishing.
     
  20. Texas Stoke

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    Bexcelant, Francis can't run the pick and roll.

    Are you saying Francis can run the pick and roll?

    NO HE CAN'T!!!!
     

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