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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kapeci8, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. devilsdandruff

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    i dont' think players on rockets team even care about whether who starts or comes off the bench.
    personally i prefer scola starting and landry pwning the 2nd units.
     
  2. RV6

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    and once again, landry won'tget big minutes if he doesnt rebound, i think he had only 4 tonight
     
  3. albendei

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    No and no. Scola is a better rebounder and defender. He can also post up the same points on a given night. Landry is best as a spark with lowry on the bench.

    5.6 rbs for carl and 9 rbs for scola a game. in a difference of 4 mins! come on?
     
  4. Seth

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    I cannot believe no one realize that.
    A. Scola is playing most of the time against other team starters.
    B. Inside Defense always keys in him and he sees a double team or two from time to time.
    C. He is the most experienced player (i think this is why he is a better defender also).

    With that said, he is averageing 1 less point and 4 more rebounds than Landry. They play almost the same ammount of mins average 28 mins Scola to 25 Landry.

    Scola is making his way against a harder defense and better players. I think changing this is not a nice move as if any of those two fall down on their production the Rox will lose either of one of the best players.
     
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    agreed.
     
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  7. albendei

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    AMEN! Those two are our best low post scorers, we cannot afford not having one of them on the floor for all 48 mins so its not a good thing to start both of them.

    but i will also give props to landry 55.6% FG% and 92.6% FT% way better than Scola.
     
  8. saleem

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    Landry should get more minutes against the more athletic,longer defending teams. Otherwise it's fine.
     
  9. kapeci8

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    youre an idiot scola is not a better defender than landry, how many times do other teams forwards have career highs againist scola and his flopping. i'll take mister gimme that landry over scola anyday
     
  10. Deckard

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    Very good post.


    Bad timing for a very predictable post, Leeb. 22 points, 15 boards, 3 steals, and 2 assists for Scola tonight. Yes, Landry had a good game off the bench with 20 and 4 blocks (wish he did that more often), but he had only 4 boards. In my opinion, they're both perfect for their roles.
     
  11. rocket4ever

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    tell that to the suns
     
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    As any one who uses stats, like Daryl Morey, will tell you, any head-to-head comparison of two players requires an examination of the two players to the appropriate counterfactual. What this means in this case is that it's not appropriate to look at Landry's 15 and 5.6 over 25 min and Scola's 13.3 and 9 over 29 min and conclude that Landry is better. The reason is that Scola is matched up more against the opposing team's starting PF, while Landry is playing against the backup PF. If we assume that starting PFs are better at rebounding than backup PFs, Landry's 5.6 rpg will likely go down and be even less impressive than Scola's 9rpg. Putting Landry against the starting PF of another team may bring down his ppg too.

    The real way to evaluate the two players is to see what happens when you put Landry in the exact same situation as Scola, i.e. matched up with the same players and playing with the same teammates. This is the right counterfactual to examine. Also, you wouldn't want to simply look at proxies for success, such as ppg and rpg, but something more like +/- which gets closer to the heart of a player's contribution to winning. But raw +/- scores are also misleading since a bench player's +/- are playing with the bench unit against largely bench opponents while starters are player w/ starters against starting units. There are lot's of ways to account for this statistically, which I'm sure Morey is using.

    The bottom line is that it's useful to be wary of comparisons of raw metrics like rpg, ppg, and +/- without really thinking about how those numbers come about. Based on the raw numbers and some assumptions about the relative strengths of the opponents and just knowing something about the headiness that Scola brings, I'd take Scola over Landry to start. But Landry is a great backup.
     
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  13. diegot143

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    Scola's impact does not show up on the score sheet. He brings leadership and a contageous fighting spirit, that Landry also has, but not to the extent that scola does. Scola is the heart of this team.
     
  14. RV6

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    I'll wait, it's not like they're going anywhere...like the finals..
     
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    Man if only we had both :rolleyes:
     
  16. windz

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    Landry still got a long way to go before he can match Scola's footwork/post-moves.

    Scola is also a much tougher defender.
     
  17. Big Shot Bob

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    I'm waiting for the start Anderson over Hayes thread.
     
  18. matthappy

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    cant agree with u any more DD,landry is really good coming from bench.he can score,and take great energy to this team.his dunk is exciting.but to be honest,if he acts as a start,his weakness like rebound would be magnified.
     
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    Landry I feel has the classic "tweener" problem. He doesn't a position where he an defend adequately. IMO that's basically his problem. Otherwise I think he's better than Scola. His efficiency on the offensive end is absolutely sick.

    You can say they come from playing against 2nd team PF all you like. But when you play 1/2 a game, you're playing against starters quite a bit. Also, backup players aren't necessarily worse defenders(Brooks vs Lowry for example). You just don't continue to score so efficiently over 3 years because "you're playing against backups". Landry's an absolute scoring machine.
     
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    STOP SMOKING POT DUDE!!!

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