I think the biggest difference between JVG and Adelman is that the latter can win without T-Mac. The T-Mac under JVG was a lot healthier than the T-Mac under Adelman. The terrible season of 05-06 was when McGrady misses about half of the season and we went 29th in offense. JVG simply didn't know how to score without T-Mac creating every offense. But then, JVG never had Morey.
good points. Although would you rather have a guy who is forced to create your offense because he is the only one able to do so? Or a handful of guys that are able to create their own shots?
Donkey, You and others clearly like JVG, I do too as announcer, but as a coach, I think he is flawed. Some coaches work with some rosters some do not... As an example, I thought JVG was fine for Cuttino and Francis, they needed the discipline but once we got Yao and Tmac, I thought JVG was the wrong coach. It was always bizzare to me how he would demand so much from all of his players and p***y foot around Tmac.....I wonder if he would have been as hard on him if Tmac would not have been better for it and the team as well. Either way, I was glad he was fired, and think he deserved it.....the organization was more than happy to move on, they basically shoved him out the door, no matter what was said in the press....they could not wait to get Adelman in...... I like Adelman a lot more than JVG.......I believe he is a better coach....not by leaps and bounds, but better in that he puts more trust in all of his players, not just a couple of them. Either way.....JVG did an OK job in Houston..... I do find it funny that folks give him an out on the talent brought in under his leadership, like CD and he did not work hand in hand......I mean...come on that is just such crap, CD and JVG spoke about all their moves.....they were a team, just like Rick and Morey are today.... I am sure that CD wanted to bring in Oakley, and Brunson and Weatherspoon all on his own... Not. Spoiler DD
I kind of doubt JVG really wanted those guys either. Oakley was signed to like a 10-day contract, Brunson was claimed off waivers and Weatherspoon was brought in to get rid of Moochie. The ex-knicks guys were mostly desperation moves, and JVG brought in guys who were familiar with his system. I can't blame him for that. The roster was littered with bad contracts when JVG took over. He really wasn't to blame for our roster issues, or the fact that we lacked salary cap flexibility.
I personally believe he should have played younger players over older weaker ones..... I think Adelman trumps him in spades in that regard. DD
That's probably why Adelman won without TMac. He had better talent outside of Yao and McGrady (who was still good in 07/08, but not so much the next 2 years). JVG didn't have Artest or Scola or Landry or Brooks or Budinger. His 04/05 guys were old and broken by 05/06. His best 06/07 guy out of the stars were Battier, Rafer Alston and Hayes, who remained playing important minutes under Adelman. Dikembe was still good but only played limited minutes. The rest of the crew have pretty much struggled to find a niche in the NBA. Juwan Howard was not doing anything until everyong got hurt in Portland. Luther Head is barely in the league. Snyder is barely sane. Bonzi got fat and old. Bottom line: both are good coaches, but nobody wins without talent.
DD. how do you know he p***y footed around Tmac? How do you know what he wrote on the notes he gave to tmac? oh yeah. you dont. It's not clear that the organization wanted him gone. It was a PR move. But its convenient that despite what was said you really know what they meant He and CD did work together, unfortunately you also talking about a CD who lost his touch and in fact became fairly poor at selecting talent. Coaches coach...GMs fill whats needed. From what I remember, JVG was actually not that active at all in dealings. you point to oakley, brunson and weatherspoon as if those guys were brought in as the answer or were magor contributors. They were 3rd stringers who were brought in to help provide some stability to a team that had been run by the inmates for years. Its a perfectly understandable move. Its fine if you dont like him as a coach and prefer RA for purely personal reasons. You can talk about the guesswork that is "how players got here", the fact is the rockets had less talent under a GM that did not have a great track record. Talk about how much defensive minded this is enough...but defensive teams have, and will continue to win championships. Spoiler
Huh? The Rockets had no talent because Jeff Van Gundy refused to play young players. He was stubborn in how he handled Bonzi Wells too. He was set in bringing in washed up Knick players, Mark Jackson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Rod Strickland, Charles Oakley and Mark Brunson (freakin Mark Brunson). Theres no way Aaron Brooks, Chase Budinger or Von Wafer ever would've existed under a JVG coached team. Theres really no comparison. Adelman wins by a longshot
Morey was the one who fired JVG. Theres no way JVG would co-sign drafting Aaron Brooks. JVG had absolutley no patient for young players. That was his biggest flaw. He's a good coach, but his lack of a offensive scheme other than "give Tmac the ball" hurt us against teams like Dallas and Utah. It also burnt out Tmac being he did 95% of the ball handling and scoring
