I'll admit i havent seen that much of RIP, but the games that I have seen of him, he always took jumpers... never did he take it to the rack and dunk it or finish with a sweet mobley esque layup. Finley isnt even that good really - he basically plays just like RIP, so it doesn't surprise me if he becomes another Finley. The only difference between the two is that Finely will occasionally take it to the rack and slam it home against someone.
Today's just not your day buddy, Hamilton is an excellent slasher despite his lack of handles. This is due to his good shot and he has a pretty good 1st step, he's pretty good at getting to the line, last year he only got there about 5 times a game but he was injured that year, so I'm pretty sure it's going to go up this year, somewhere in the area of 7 or 8. Also speaking of Finley, I don't really care much for him, it seems like he has all the tools but he's never quite fully developed. Also keep in mind Hamilton is only 24 and I'm pretty sure he'll eventually become better then Finley. Actually come to think of it, right now the only advantage I see Finley having is the fact that he's more physically developed and can dunk better, but as in shot or handles I don't really see it. Finley is called a good defender but I don't really buy into that, every once and a while he bodies some smaller guard and thinks he can play D.
Yea, i think it was crash5179 or someone who said that he's heavily criticized in Dallas for being a jumpshooter... i think he even went so far as to say that once his jumpshot is off, he becomes a burden on the floor.
Yes your friend there was really quite on, without his shot he just disturbs the flow of the offense, I bet it kills him that Dirk is more talented then he is because whenever he gets the ball he always tries to do more then he's capable of. Nash is also pretty good, Finley is there spot up shooter with a bit of slashing ablility, I attribute a good deal of that to the defense concentrating on Dirk or on Nash's penetration.
Out of all possible trades and offseason moves, I wouldn't have thought Jerry Stackhouse would be involved in any of them.
Hamilton is an outstanding slasher. And Finley isn't a good player! Did you even see what he did in the playoffs year!? Not only is Finley one of the best one-on-one defender in the NBA, the guy is great at attacking the basket and he is an awesome scorer! He only occasionally takes it to the basket!!?? You must not know much about Michael Finley. Finley's first years in the league, especially his first year as in the league as a Sun, the guy was a HORRIBLE shooter, all he did was attack the basket. He scored monster points because he primarily ATTACKED the basket! Once he developed his jumpshot he became an All-Star player because he combined shooting with slashing to the hoop. The guy is a career 20 ppg scorer. He is also shoots, for his career, about 45% from the field because he attacks the basket. Last year he didn't do it as much because he was injured, but he still did it. By the way, Finley's stats for the playoffs? 24.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 46.6 FG%, 37.8% 3PT, 1.50 spg, and 90% from the line. His career average is only slightly less. And he is an awesome defender, and you say he isn't that good!?
By the way, Finley was doing this on Phoenix and Dallas before Dirk and Nash came along, so saying he is only a spot up shooter and he is only good because of those guys is not true at all. In fact Sacramento played straight-up defense on the Mavs and let Webber take Dirk one-on-one, and Bibby on Nash one-on-one. You know the only Mav to shot up on a consistent basis? Finley. Because he did it for years before those guys showed up.
Finley jump shoots too much - I give him credit for developing a good jumper but he relies on it too much. I remember 1 game where he was shooting terribly from the field - what does he do? Does he try to drive it in and get a layup to alleviate his shooting woes like Kobe or Mobley or any1 would do? NO, he just keeps on bricking jumper after jumper after jumper... His handles aren't also very good, but i'll admit they are <I>adequate</I> for his position. Also how can you ignore the comments from DALLAS fans about Finley? If u say RIP is an outstanding slasher, then i'll just have to take ur word for it b/c you've probably seen more of him than I have. From watchin a few games of him, the impression I got was that he was just somebody who could create their own jumpshot, but I guess I was in error.
Basically just a straight up Rip for Stack swap. wtf? Stack is much greater than Rip. o well, both teams still suck anyway.
Jerry Stackhouse Larry Hughes Bryon Russell Brendan Haywood Jahidi White Off the bench, you have Jordan, Tyronne Lue, Kwame Brown, Christain Laettner, and Juan Dixon... Don't look now, folks, but that's a playoff team in the East.
I'm not a big Stack fan but now that he's gone, The Pistons are finished. Billups, Hamilton, Robinson, Williamson, and Wallace, oh scary . Strangely enough, I don't think this move helps the Wiz out considerably. They just added another SG/SF who can't shoot that well (and disappered in the playoffs) to go along w/ Hughes, Dixon, MJ, Russell, and Jefferies. And don't give me that Hughes is a PG garbage. If you can't shoot shouldn't you at least be able to handle the ball and distribute it if you're a "point guard"? I think the Wiz would have been good enough to make the playoffs last yr. if MJ had stayed healthy and this will definetly get the there. But they won't go far. I don't think they can beat the Nets, Celtics, or even the Sixers.
You might be missing some players? Uhh, I'd say so! Like the #1 pick from last year. What are the chances that next year people will be skipping Ming when talking about the Rockets...
Poor Kwame Either way, I don't think RIP would have been back to Washington after next season anyway...Stackhouse probably won't be either. With the signings of Russell, Laettner, Lue, Hughes over the last two years, the Wizards will have a choice of keeping a current star player or going after one of the big free agents next year...I don't think they will be able to do both. In my opinion they should have just forgotten about Russell and Hughes, that way they could still keep their current star and add another one to the mix. I don't think this trade makes that big of a difference.
An article out of Detroit says that the Pistons and Stackhouse got together this offseason to discuss his future, seeing as how this is the last year of his contract. Stackhouse said he was going to opt-out and ask for the max. The Pistons said they weren't going to give him the max. Thus, before it became public, Joe Dumars made the most of the situation and got a couple of talented players for him in Hamilton and Davis. Stackhouse wasn't surprised by the move at all, knowing that the Pistons weren't going to meet his demands. Dumars is a creative GM - Hamilton won't get the max and the Pistons still have a bright future, especially considering they will get Memphis' #1 pick next year.
some analysis i got from a friend (dont know source) This deal was about money and Dumars' hesitancy to reward Stackhouse with a maximum free-agent deal following next season -- which could pay him as much as $15 million. The move is a reaction to Stackhouse's offensive disappearance during the playoffs
To back up the last two posts, here's the article form the Washington Post. Looks like salary considerations were at the heart of the deal. washingtonpost.com Wizards Get Stackhouse From Detroit Hamilton, Simmons, Davis Traded for Two-Time All-Star By Steve Wyche Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 12, 2002; Page D01 In a major move that brings the Wizards a proven all-star, Washington acquired Detroit Pistons shooting guard-forward Jerry Stackhouse and two reserves last night for Richard Hamilton, Bobby Simmons and Hubert Davis. "When you have the opportunity to add an all-star player of Jerry's caliber, you cannot hesitate on a chance to strengthen the team," Wizards General Manager Wes Unseld said in a prepared statement released by the team. "We had to part with several players we were very high on but we feel we have improved. This is the right fit at this stage of our team's development." The deal also has major salary cap ramifications. Stackhouse can opt to become a free agent next offseason, which potentially could clear $12 million in cap room for the Wizards during what is expected to be a bumper-crop free agent market. The Wizards also acquired seldom-used power forward Brian Cardinal and center Ratko Varda, who played in one game last season, in the deal. The newly acquired players are expected to be introduced this week, possibly today. Stackhouse, a two-time all-star who just two seasons ago averaged 29.8 points, gives the Wizards a dominant scorer who is known for his toughness and ability to get to the rim in spectacular fashion. Paired with Larry Hughes in the starting back court and occasionally teamed with backup swingman Michael Jordan -- should Jordan, 39, play this season -- Washington now has the potential for an explosive offense. "I'm happy that the Pistons had enough respect for me and for what I've done that they sent me to situation where I would be comfortable," Stackhouse told the Detroit News. "They did not send me to a bad situation and I appreciate that." Playing a part in the deal is Stackhouse's likely intent to opt out of the remainder of his contract (three years, $21 million) after this season and ask for a far-more lucrative deal, which Detroit apparently did not want to pay. Should Stackhouse exercise his out clause after his first season in Washington, the Wizards could have more than $12 million under the salary cap next summer to lure one of the many prime free agents -- Tim Duncan, Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, to name a few -- who could be available. Washington has been maneuvering the past three seasons to clear cap space for next summer. Like Stackhouse, Hamilton also had contract issues entering this season. Hamilton, whom the Wizards drafted seventh overall in 1999, has emerged as a rising offensive star. He asked for a contract extension earlier this summer and was eager to get a commitment from Washington, especially after it acquired Hughes and Juan Dixon, players who could take his place at shooting guard in the future. The six-player deal comes a day after Washington signed free agent Bryon Russell, who is projected to start at small forward, and highlights what has been a very busy offseason for a team that finished 37-45 last season. Washington drafted three players (Jared Jeffries, Dixon, Rod Grizzard), signed free agents Hughes and Russell and made this trade, all with the intent of improving the team in the short and long terms. The Wizards might not be finished, either; they still have a glut of point guards and could be in the market to unload at least one by the midseason trade deadline. Stackhouse should have an immediate impact, even though last season he put up individual numbers significantly lower than his career-best season in 2000-01. His scoring average dipped to 21.4 points and his shooting percentage fell below 40 percent (.397) for just the second time in his career. Detroit Coach Rick Carlisle admitted late last season that Stackhouse sacrificed much of his offense to conform to a defensive-based system, which got the Pistons into the Eastern Conference semifinals. In the final two games of that series against the Boston Celtics, the 6-foot-6 Stackhouse struggled with his shooting, making just 8 of 33 field goals and scoring eight points in the decisive fifth game. Although the Wizards gave no official comment, they appeared likely to wait until Hamilton became an unrestricted free agent next season before discussing his contract. Hamilton averaged a career-high 20 points last season, second to Jordan. "Rip really enjoyed playing in Washington and was very happy there," said Hamilton's agent, Leon Rose. "He improved every year. Through this trade, it's a great opportunity for Richard to go and help the Pistons take it to the next level. This is part of the business." The Wizards were trying to move Davis, one of the best three-point shooters in the NBA, because he would have been the odd man out of the shooting guard rotation. Simmons, a favorite of Jordan's who played little last season, could give the Pistons depth in their front court.
Sean Deveney of The Sporting News says that this Washington team matches up with any in the East, sans perhaps the Nets, and is easily capable of 50 wins next year. He also calls Jahidi White, the perpetual underachiever, and Brendan Haywood, the perpetual college underachiever, a feared twosome at center in the East. I don't know, but where are the Wizards going to play their shooting guards? Hughes cannot play point guard, so Chris Whitney will likely still get a majority of the time there next season. That leaves Russell, Hughes, Stackhouse, and Jordan fighting for time at the SG and SF positions. Will Stackhouse's new mentality transfer over to the Wizards? Who will pass the ball? Who will guard opposing SG and SF? How long before Jordan goes down? As for PF and C - their frontcourt is pretty weak, seeing as how they are likely to lose Popeye Jones. Laettner missed significant time last season and Brown and Thomas are very inexperienced and very raw. White and Haywood are underachievers who would be lucky to score 10pts, yet alone pull down 10 rebounds combined. I'm sorry - but the Wizards are nothing more than a .500 team built incorrectly, akin to the Blazers without quite the influx of egos. Their money could've been spent better elsewhere on players who can contribute rather than on perpetual projects and aging swingmen.
Looks like Sean has been on the wacky weed again, not sure White or Haywood would scare my grandma.... Sure the Wiz could compete ....................... in an All SG/SF league
