DREAMer: I'm going to answer the following post in this thread because I promised that I was not going to reply anymore in that thread. I brought you into this because one of my old posts about this was addressed to Freak, ZRB, and you . Does this post jog your memory: How many times are we going to go through this? Until the man retires? Look, I don't think anyone wishes ill will for Olajuwon in Toronto, but it takes two to tango and Olajuwon is definitely not a saint. A couple of questions for the threesome: 1) Didn't Olajuwon say he was going to retire after this past season? I know he changed his mind, but why do any of you never address how him changing his mind, after it seemed to me that he promised the Rockets he would retire, placed them in an awkward position. Do the three of you enjoy seeing Rockets Mgmt placed in awkward positions? 2) Olajuwon has averaged around 58 games played the last 2 seasons. Yes, he had some brilliant moments last year, but too often he was out of shape, getting dunked on, and even getting his shot blocked by the rim ! It was very hard for me to watch such a great athlete like him struggle like that. Do the three of you enjoy seeing him struggle like that? 3) You-all know very well that considering the money and length of years that he wanted, that the Rockets wouldn't be able to get anyone decent in free agency let alone re-sign their own key free agents. Let's say that the Rockets re-signed Hakeem to a similar deal that he had last time with them. That means that Moochie, Mo, and Glen Rice (Shandon Anderson) would not be with the Rockets. So, you might be saying well our starting line-up would still be good with Walt, KT, Olajuwon, Cat, and the Franchise. However, there's no depth and Cato and Collier won't get any better if the only time that they ever played was spelling Olajuwon. If and when Hakeem broke down, Cato and Collier would be unprepared just like last year to fill in. The result is another lottery year. Do the three of you enjoy seeing the Rockets be a perrenial lottery team like the Grizzlies and the Warriors? At the time, I thought it was pretty obvious who the "threesome" was (which is Freak, ZRB, and you) because HayesStreet and others who have since "joined the club" don't post in that thread. You answer or try to answer Colt45, but you never answer me but then neither did ZRB or TheFreak until recently in the other thread. I was just explaining why your name was being mentioned....but it seems that you subscribe to the same school of literality like TheFreak does. As said before in the other thread, I have pretty much said everything that I wanted to say, and to say anything else is pointless. I have a feeling that it would be especially true with you...especially after observing some other threads from the past ...so LOL, how am I supposed to "win" an argument with you? I have done poor posts/threads when I first started here, and I have looked foolish as well. However I always will admit that I was wrong or foolish. I don't see why that is such a hard thing to do.
Vince Carter: 6 - 21 (.286) Michael Redd: 3 - 11 (.273) Paul Pierce: 4 - 16 (.250) Antoine Walker: 5 - 20 (.250) Doug Christie: 3 - 13 (.231) Jamaal Tinsley: 2 - 13 (.154) Travis Best: 1 - 7 (.143) Lamar Odom: 1 - 8 (.125) Jonathan Bender: 1 - 9 (.111)
Jason Williams: 3 - 11 (.273) Rodney Buford: 2 - 12 (.167) Jason Richardson: 1 - 9 (.111) Troy Murphy: 0 - 7 (.000) ----------------- When you say, "as bad as", are you insinuating that a pre-season game is "the same as" a regular season game? Because, I always felt that games that counted towards your record were more important. And, if regular season games are more important, then I would come to the conclusion that shooting poorly in the regular season was worse than shooting poorly in the pre-season, and I think most people would agree with that.
Bobby Jackson: 7 - 25 (.280) George McCloud: 3 - 11 (.273) Chris Gatling: 3 - 11 (.273) Vlade Divac: 4 - 15 (.267) Sam Cassell: 4 - 16 (.250) LaPhonso Ellis: 3 - 12 (.250) Jerry Stackhouse: 5 - 21 (.238) Oscar Torres: 2 - 10 (.200) Ray Allen: 4 - 20 (.200) Michael Redd: 1 - 7 (.143) Matt Harpring: 1 - 9 (.111)
161 NBA players have made "The List" Jason Kidd: 7 Jason Williams: 5 Richard Hamilton: 5 Antonio Davis: 5 Vince Carter: 4 Tariq Abdul-Wahad: 4 Jermaine O'Neal: 4 Morris Peterson: 4 Doug Christie: 4 Jamaal Tinsley: 4 Ron Mercer: 4 Danny Fortson: 4 Al Harrington: 4 Gary Payton: 3 Kenyon Martin: 3 Matt Harpring: 3 Chris Mihm: 3 Kerry Kittles: 3 Pat Garrity: 3 James Posey: 3 Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 3 George McCloud: 3 Brent Barry: 3 Juwan Howard: 3 Rashard Lewis: 3 P.J. Brown: 3 Antawn Jamison: 3 Sam Cassell: 3 Dirk Nowitski: 3 Allen Iverson: 3 Latrell Sprewell: 3 Larry Hughes: 3 Kurt Thomas: 3 Anfernee Hardaway: 3 Kevin Garnett: 3 Jerry Stackhouse: 3 Rod Strickland: 3 37 more players have 2 appearances. 87 players have only one appearance.
Aaron McKie: 2 - 9 (.222) Jason Kidd: 2 - 10 (.200) Clifford Robinson: 2 - 11 (.182) Robert Horry: 2 - 11 (.182) Rick Fox: 1 - 8 (.125) James Posey: 1 - 9 (.111) ------------------------- Rocketability, Smeg asked a question, I came up with an answer. I wasn't counting before that. Instead, I had to go back through the entire thread and add them all up (but, I'll be keeping track now. No sense in wasting good stats). It wasn't as fun as I had first hoped.
Rodney Buford: 3 - 11 (.273) Shane Battier: 3 - 14 (.214) Anthony Mason: 1 - 7 (.143) Eddie Griffin: 1 - 7 (.143)
Eddie Jones: 4 - 14 (.286) {2} Larry Hughes: 3 - 11 (.273) {4} Vladimir Radmanovic: 3 - 11 (.273) {2} Ron Mercer: 4 - 15 (.267) {5} Anfernee Hardaway: 6 - 23 (.261) {4} Derek Fisher: 3 - 12 (.250) {2} Dion Glover: 2 - 9 (.222) {2} Aaron McKie: 4 - 19 (.211) {3} DeShawn Stevenson: 1 - 7 (.143) {1} Lindsey Hunter: 1 - 7 (.143) {2} Quentin Richardson: 1 - 9 (.111) {1} Chris Mihm: 1 - 10 (.100) {4} ----------------------- Shaquille O'Neal: 3 - 11 (.273) **On free-throws <FONT SIZE="1">From now on, I'll be adding a third number next to the player's name. It will be the number of times they've made The List</FONT>
Nick Van Exel: 4 - 14 (.286) {2} Shane Battier: 3 - 11 (.273) {4} Paul Pierce: 4 - 15 (.267) {2} Eric Williams: 2 - 9 (.222) {1} Chris Mihm: 2 - 10 (.200) {5} Kerry Kittles: 1 - 7 (.143) {4} Rashard Lewis: 1 - 8 (.125) {4} Chris Mills: 1 - 8 (.125) {2} Derrick Dial: 1 - 8 (.125) {1} Richard Jefferson: 0 - 8 (.000) {2}
Predrag Stojakovic: 4 - 16 (.250) {2} Eddie Griffin: 2 - 10 (.200) {3} Kenny Thomas: 2 - 12 (.167) {1} Alvin Williams: 1 - 7 (.143) {3} Tony Delk: 1 - 8 (.125) {2} Jeff McInnis: 1 - 9 (.111) {3}
Sam Cassell: 5 - 17 (.294) {4} Jason Richardson: 3 - 11 (.273) {2} Michael Finley: 7 - 26 (.269) {3} Tony Massenburg: 3 - 12 (.250) {1} Derek Fisher: 3 - 12 (.250) {3} Patrick Ewing: 2 - 9 (.222) {1} Moochie Norris: 2 - 9 (.222) {2} Marcus Camby: 2 - 9 (.222) {1} Marcus Fizer: 2 - 10 (.200) {1} Trenton Hassell: 2 - 11 (.182) {1} Radoslav Nesterovic: 2 - 11 (.182) {1} Baron Davis: 3 - 17 (.176) {3} Chris Mills: 1 - 7 (.143) {3} Juwan Howard: 1 - 7 (.143) {4} Eric Williams: 0 - 8 (.000) {2} **Just a reminder** Michael Jordan is 2 - 23 (.087) on 3-pters this year.
OK, time for some positive numbers. <b>The Othella Harrington "Quit Double Teaming Sprewell Rule":</b> On 7-9 Shots you must hit <b>75%</b> <b>The Magic "You Going to Just Give Me That Shot?" Rule</b>: On 10-15 shots you must hit <b>70%</b> <b>The Duncan "Quit Hanging on Me" Rule</b>: 16-19 shots you must hit <b>60%</b> <b>The Jordan/Bird/Dream Keep Shooting Rule</b>: 20 or more shots you must hit <b>50%</b> R Allen 10-14 RHamilton 15-24 Iverson 15-29 Sprewell 18-32 LaFrentz 9-14 Jefferson 7-10 Harris 8-10 Trent 6-8 Patterson 6-8 Nash 12-16 Webber 11-22 Shaq 18-27 McGrady 17-32 Jones 7-8 Torres 10-11 That is 15 Moneymen last night. Looks like my 75/70/60/50 club offsets your brick layers. The big question is: <b>I wonder when Dream is going to make my elite group?</b> That's 21 games of nothing worthy of "Give Me Da Ball."
Eddie Jones: 3 - 11 (.273) {3} Iakovos Tsakalidis: 2 - 9 (.222) {1} Rodney Rogers: 2 - 10 (.200) {1} Anthony Carter: 1 - 8 (.125) {2}
