Care to elaborate? Did they feel all those extra bells and whistles (crawford boxes, Tal's Hill, the train, etc) take away from the game? Or did they feel all the new ballparks have little things disctinctions like that so they wanted to do something different? At first glance, I thought the new park looked clean but rather dull. After looking through the varous pics though it does look pretty nice. I especially like the open outfield. But the field itself is rather dull. I like them Crawford Boxes, the outfield scoreboard and Tal's Hill with the flagpole in the field of play...it's what makes MM, in my opinion, one of the best ballparks in the league. And did anybody catch that the Yankees will no longer be playing in Yankee Stadium come '09. I know the place is old, but its a classic ballpark. I told a friend of mine whose from NY and he couldn't believe it. What's next, Fenway, Wrigely? And then the Mets are moving out of Shea.
Having lived in STL when MMP opened, they HATED everything that had to do with that park... the hill, the porch, the dimensions (the deep CF takes away legit HR's, but the short LF and RF gives the cheap ones)... and now since the playoffs, they hate it even more! (mainly due to the roof... which is the only thing I think is an absolute NECESSITY, out of all the gimmicks MMP has). I guess they hate it because it takes away from the game... cheapens certain aspects... and, basically, seems "gimmicky". Thus, they wanted a park that didn't play small, and they didn't want to have such a drastic change from the old Busch... thus, they preserve the red seats, the same hitter's eye backdrop, still have the bullpens in the same place around the similiar bleachers, and still likely have the same organ/organist. I already explained how I felt the things they did in Houston was simply because they HAD to create some new sort of trend... after years of playing in the old Astrodome (which didn't create any sort of trend, except astroturf, indoor baseball, and crowds of 18,000 on weeknights). I also like the unique field dimensions, and the hill (as long as we have a CF that can run it down). I wasn't a big fan of the porch, but I now see that it was almost necessary to have the field that way... to allow for the incorporation of Union Station (which is totally unique, and I love it). Also... as for Yankee Stadium... don't worry too much about it. The new field will also be Yankee Stadium, it will have the exact same dimensions... same seat colors... same wall sizes... and hell, the outside is going to be an exact replica of the OLD Yankee Stadium (before the rennovation in the 70's), while the inside will be modernized. Not a bad combination of the new/old. Lastly, Shea is a dump... NOBODY will miss that place. It doesn't even seem historic (even though they won the series there)... its just dumpy.
Well that makes sense. From everything I've heard about Cards fans, that type of stadium (no frills and perserving Busch's feel) would seem to suit them perfectly. There wasn't too much tradition to preserve from the Astrodome era, aside from the scoreboard, so MM was exactly what this town needed. And the homefield advantage it creates is insane. As for Yankee Stadium, I guess that's a pretty good plan...same stadium just modernized. I'm willing to bet sooner or later they're gonna have to rebuild Fenway and Wrigley, and I would imagine they'd have to rebuild them like they're doing Yankee Stadium, or risk public outcry. And I probably should have mentioned in my post that yes the Mets are moving out of Shea, but then who the hell cares about Shea or the Mets anways
Everything Nick says is true. The 1st trip to MMP all Al Hrabosky did for three games straight was bash Houston's new stadium. Let's see those 10 buidlings in downtown STL would consist of two federal buidlings, the old courthouse, six hotels and the US Bank building.
Just my 2 cents... Minute Maid is nice, but seriously, a Major League park with that short of a left field fence? cmon. They should have built this when Bagwell was young. They would be talking about him instead of Bonds. It's a Joke. I have long been gone from Houston. I grew up going to the Dome. Went back a few years ago to see the new ballpark. Like I said, it's nice but the prices are outrageous. $20 to sit above the bullpen? And that was the cheapest seat they had. Now the new Cardinals park looks very nice on TV. And I am sure the parking is MUCH better than Minute Maid, where you have to worry if your car will still be there when you come out after the game.
not really. look how great this stadium looks compared to our p.o.s. there's freakin algae growing on the glass on the roof of minute maid.
Obviously you have never been to Yankee Stadium. The new field WILL NOT be Yankee Stadium. It will not be the "House that Ruth Built", Where Lou Gehrig played. It WILL NOT be the field where the Great Joe DiMaggio played, it WILL NOT be the place where Mickey Mantle played. Walking into Yankee Stadium is like walking into the History of Major League Baseball. It makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It is the MOST AWESOME place to see a Major League game, by far. If you have never been, I hope all of you can go see a game there before it is gone.
You stick Bagwell in almost any other park besides the spacious Dome and yeah they would be talking about him more. It wouldn't even have to be MMP. The stadium was a joke in its first few seasons, but once teams settled into its dimensions, it got passed its 10-run moniker. Plus don't forget, it might have a short porch, but it's also got a deep center field. And I can't remember what the cheapest ticket was when the place opened, but you can get Outfield Deck tix for 7 bucks, View Deck for 10 and 12 and MEzzanine for 16. At those prices, I can afford to go to about 5-10 games a season, as opposed to maybe one or two Rockets games. And there are plenty of places to park in Downtown w/o fear of getting your car jacked. That area has changed since the park first opened. I love going to games at MM and I really have no complaint about the place. The place just has a style all its own and come playoff time is one of the loudest and toughest places to play. Just ask any Cardinals or Braves fan.
So clearly you haven't been to a Yankees game since 1973. I went to my first Yankees game about 6 years ago. Nothing special, but I sat in the upper deck. Then maybe 4 years ago I sat behind home plate; again nothing special and it reminded me of any other ballpark. In fact it was worse since the sightlines were absolute ****. Then last summer I sat front row in the right field outfield; awesome perspective, but again, nothing about the stadium made me feel in awe of anyone or anything. Maybe if you mentioned Reggie Jackson you would have a valid argument, but the fact is that the post '74-'75 Yankee Stadium isn't that special, is outdated, and in my opinion is kind of a dump (concourses especially). The only noticable difference between the current core of Yankee Stadium and the new one is dead center will have luxury boxes incorporated with monument park instead of those annoyingly gawdy empty black bleachers.
Maybe if I mentioned Reggie Jackson???? What are you, freaking 30 years old??? It's not my fault you have no sense of history.
Dude, I was only going by your exact comments. You mentioned DiMaggio, Mantle, and Gehrig. None of them played in the modern Yankee stadium. When I see Yankee Stadium as it is now I don't envision those guys. I fail to fully comprehend how people can compare Yankee Stadium with Wrigley or Fenway...maybe if Steinbrenner didn't ruin the classic look and feel of the place then there would be an argument and adequate opposition. As I see it, New Yankee Stadium is a necessity and this is a way to "right" what was once a classic ballpark.
Dude, they all played on that same field. The "modern yankee stadium" is in the same place as the old one. they added some seats and took down the awnings. But it is the same field. For forty years, Yankee Stadium was home to a steady stream of championship teams. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig passed on their legacy to Joe DiMaggio and Phil Rizzuto, who then passed it on to Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris. So mighty were the Yankees, and such a draw was the team and its stadium, that by 1958 the the Giants and Dodgers, New York's other Major League Baseball teams, had moved to California. For four years, from 1958 through 1961, there was only one place to go to watch Major League Baseball in New York City. Like I said, you obviously have no sense of history.
Post Number 6,998. I went to the game today, and usually, it's easy to find parking, but for some damn reason, i couldnt find parking, and the same lots i usually park at, the prices were higher. I ended up parking in Chinatown, by the Lofts at the Ballpark.
I have as much sense of history as anybody else... but I agree that after they re-modeled, re-fit, and re-built almost all of Yankee Stadium (including the outside facade...) the change had to separate a little of the historic days from the modern ones. It would be like saying you should think Walter Payton when going into the new Soldier Field (which looks nothing like the old one)... or how the Astrodome, after they took out the scoreboard, had the same charm... things change, even after re-modelings. They're building this stadium right next to the old one... its not like they're moving to Manhatten (like one plan previously said). Its also not like they're putting a retractable roof on the stadium (like another plan said). They're trying to keep it as original as possible... but its no longer feasible in today's economics to re-fit/re-build existing structures. Yankee Stadium is historic... yes... but they do have the means to build a new one, and they could use it. You'd see the same thing in Boston right now, if they didn't have such a big problem with the land. There's absolutely no space in Wrigley to build... so that's likely going to be the only one left.
Its a work day... I've always had more trouble on these days. Its almost easier to take the train, go to Live, and make the semi-long walk to the game.
LOL, you really are trying your best to be such an ass whenever you can about the Stros. (all those posts of yours in the Astros game recap etc...and now this) So.....welcome to my ignore list. I can't really stand people who try to be trolls and with nothing else to do in their pitiful life but to try and piss off others.....sooooo I'm tired of reading your crap. You are the first person of '06 to be added to my list, you should feel privalidged . ----------------------- As for the park, it looks nice.
Okay, you've got your opinion about the stadium and I've got mine. My thoughts are that when I enter Yankee Stadium, I don't envision Yankee Old Timers or feel any special excitement or get a sense of charm. Should I? Again, that's how I feel, but to insinuate that I "obviously have no sense of history" is pretty daft.
