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Sri Lanka went full Organic. Now they're starving and angry

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  1. Amiga

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    The massive record heat wave over Europe is a reminder that fertile land due to moderate climate will face huge challenges with drought and heat. NASA study projected global corn yield to decrease by 24% (but wheat is projected to see an uptick of 17% - @Os Trigonum - an example of looking at the full pic and not just the negative of climate change) by 2030. But by 2050, the uptick in wheat is projected to level off and crops will see a significant decline in yield.

    While the food shortage in Sir Lanka was caused by bad economic policies (think MAGA version for Sir Lanka - stopping imports of fertilizer and relying only on internal fertilizer), we see how devasting the food shortage is for one local region. Now zoom that out to the globe and imagine what a global food shortage would do. You can see why the DoD analysis said climate change is a profoundly destabilizing force and an existential threat.
     
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    Lol you are telling some dude in Florida there are other states
     
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    No, this has nothing to do with it..use your common sense. “Organic fertilizer” is not about going green , Sri Lanka is corrupt and couldn’t afford to buy fertilizer and put this spin on it


    Energy is energy, if we get it in the form of hydro, nuclear etc it doesn’t matter. Not investing in it in the long run is pure insanity, the universe is an untapped engine with the sun alone putting out enough energy to service a million years in a single minute.

    that being said we can’t ban and restrict fossil fuels right now, fracking etc. we need to push forward because collapsing the economy is not going to help us get there. The green movement the libs push foreward is a farce, the truth is that our pace on fossil fuels going forward generations os not sustainable
     
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    Where can I buy organic nitrogen?
     
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    I live in the exurbs in Iowa. I’m surrounded by large farms. I see a few men farm hundreds of acres working a few days a year using large industrial machines. It’s hard to get more efficient. There isn’t an alternative to industrial farming that will produce enough food to feed the world.
     
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    There is a big difference between a small island nation of ~20 million going completely organic and the US or Europe doing so, which is why you don't hear such goals coming from large nations.

    We don't get much energy from an adversarial neighbor like Europe, and we don't really get much energy imported from the Middle East. Not really the same situation.

    Seems like this is more of the "perfect is the enemy of good" rhetoric that seems so stylish these days. Just because a small island nations fails at something.. then what?
     
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    It's market driven. Organic farming will never be able to compete with industrialized farming in terms of yield. But...that doesn't mean it can't compete or feed the world.
     
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    Sticking to farming.... vertical farming for leafy green veggies, herbs, and tomatoes is in it's infancy of becoming practical.

    This video somewhat oversells the idea, but it's still a part of the food security solution:

     
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    Nostoc.

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    I understand there are many in the environmental movement who want to see sudden drastic change. We do need fast change but sudden drastic change in economic isn't possible. What we should be doing is sustained progress. That starts with building more better infrastructure relying upon multiple power generation sources and more resilient infrastructures. Electric vehicles should be encouraged but we need more infrastructure for them. Fleet vehicles should be all switching to electric or hydrogen as that would start driving the market and reducing th cost for consumer electric vehicles.
     
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    Thank goodness there’s an endless supply of fried chicken in Houston
    We ain’t going to starve brehs
     
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    Starvin' Marvin.
     
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    Calm down Grandpa.
     
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    I am sorry.

    Make sure you are getting regularly checked for cancer and other diseases. Living by large scale farming operations is terrible for your health.

    There are ways, but it requires spending on infrastructure. For example most likely the future will be vertical farming.

    Some form of industrial farming is here to stay, people in the US and West already are complaining about higher food prices, I cannot imagine if we went back to traditional farming. The only way it would work would be a massive population decrease. It can be done in a particular country but so far impossible globally to get that sort of agreement.
     
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    I agree with a lot of your post. If you had just left out "the libs" thingy!

    ;-)
     
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    Oh yeah, if the West paid what the developing world pays for food there'd be mass riots here all the time.

    One of the biggest causes of the Arab Spring in Egypt was the government stopped subsidizing flour and bread. Obviously that wasn't the only reason, but it played a big role in why people were already upset and protesting.
     
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    This is not just happening in Sri Lanka, or Ghana or tjhe Netherlands. It is happening wherever globalist minded leftists are in charge, including apparently Canada:

    Trudeau pushes ahead on fertilizer reduction as provinces and farmers cry foul

    Provincial agriculture ministers are expressing frustration with the Trudeau government over plans to effectively reduce fertilizer use by Canada’s farmers in the name of fighting climate change.

    A meeting of federal and provincial ministers wrapped up in Saskatoon on Friday with several provinces saying they are disappointed.


    The federal government is looking to impose a requirement to reduce nitrous oxide emissions from fertilizers saying it is a greenhouse gas contributing to climate change. While the Trudeau government says they want a 30% reduction in emissions, not fertilizer, farm producer groups say that at this point, reducing nitrous oxide emissions can’t be done without reducing fertilizer use.

    “Provinces were disappointed by the lack of flexibility and consultation regarding the federal target,” Ontario’s Lisa Thompson said after the meeting.

    Several provincial governments, and organizations representing farmers have asked for emissions reductions from fertilizer to be measured via intensity – how much food is produced compared to the amount of fertilizer used. The Trudeau government is demanding an absolute reduction in emissions, which farmers say will result in less food being produced at a time when the world can ill afford it.

    “The world is looking for Canada to increase production and be a solution to global food shortages. The Federal government needs to display that they understand this,”
    Alberta minister Nate Horner said.

    “We’re really concerned with this arbitrary goal,” Saskatchewan’s David Marit said.

    Federal minister Marie-Claude Bibeau called the government’s target ambitious but claims it’s one that farmers will embrace.

    “I’m meeting with many farmers in the field. I know how much they care for the environment and how much they invest in new practices and new technologies to reduce their emissions as much as possible,” Bibeau said. “The idea is to produce the most sustainable food in the world.”

    Farm groups, like the Western Canadian Wheat Growers, have said the federal plan will reduce crop output, reduce income for farm families and increase food prices in Canadian grocery stores.

    While ministers Thompson, Horner and Marit all ran successful farming and ranching operations before entering politics, Bibeau was an international development bureaucrat and operated a tourism-related small business.

    Similar plans to reduce fertilizer use have resulted in mass protests in Europe, in particular the Netherlands.

    This is part of this agenda of inhumane Malthusian radicalism by the North Atlantic globalist establishment elites, as led by the WEF and the leaders of the North Atlantic globalist elites. The rest of the world is not going along with this, and if we were smart, we would not be either.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    The World does need to reduce the use of nitrogen fertilizers. People living on the Gulf Coast should know this better than most given how every year we have dead zone in Gulf largely due to fertilizer runoff.
    https://oceantoday.noaa.gov/deadzon... 2021 Gulf of Mexico,over the past five years.

    Like many things though it needs careful planning and not done drastically. In addition to complete organic farming practices there are practices that reduce the use of fertilizers and also runnoff.
     
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    Farming is typically environmentally destructive and wasteful.

    We all like mantras of Getting Things Done but overlook the boring planning and transition points.

    Unfortunately, the Russian embargo fiasco and Ukrainian supply destruction is forcing these issues at a head.

    I mean, you can tell a smoker that cigs causes lung cancer, but I'm not sure sloganing "smoke less dummy and quit it altogether" is a workable solution for everyone.
     

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